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Steppin' on the edge of Smoke Template

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Ugin, Jul 8, 2022.

  1. Ugin

    Ugin Well-Known Member
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    Suppose a Zhanshi stepping on the edge of a Smoke zone.

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    According to the wiki definition of Inside(https://infinitythewiki.com/Zones,_Bases_and_Silhouettes#Totally_Inside), the Zhanshi is now inside the Smoke zone, but his Silhouette is tipping out from the smoke area.

    Then, can Fusilier in the picture shoot Zhanshi because his Silhouette is tipping out?
     
  2. Methuselah

    Methuselah Well-Known Member

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    As long as any part of a models silhouette is touching smoke, they are considered to be in the smoke. In this case, the Zhanshi is just barely touching the smoke, but still counts as in a zero visibility zone and the Fusilier could not shoot the Zhanshi.
     
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  3. Ugin

    Ugin Well-Known Member
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    Jesus Christ, never knew the Smoke is THAT convenient to use. Thanks!
     
  4. chromedog

    chromedog Less than significant minion

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    It's been like that for years. Back to N2, touching was as good as "inside". It's just that soooo many people failed to read it properly.
     
  5. GMM

    GMM New Member

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    I think differently. Zhanshi is treated as being inside the zero visibillity zone's area, but LOF drawn did not into, through, or out the area of the zero visibillity zone. Therefore, it may be a hasty judgment to think of the concept of 'into' as the same as 'inside'. I think it is right to wait for an answer from a more credible person in this part.
     
  6. Iskandar

    Iskandar Well-Known Member

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    What? You cannot draw LoF to the trooper inside the smoke this isn't even debatable
     
  7. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    If the 3 ZhanShi are inside the Smoke template, as described both by rules text and picture, the Fusilier cannot trace a LoF to any of them.
     
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  8. anubis

    anubis sarcastic exaggerator

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    I think the rules are written pretty clear on that one:

    since smoke ammunition generates Special Terrain

    Smoke Ammunition generates a Zero Visibility Zone (see: Special Terrain, Visibility Conditions) the size of a Circular Template and with infinite height.
    Smoke Ammunition - Infinity (infinitythewiki.com)

    the rules to be affacted by it has to be:

    Area of Effect of Special Terrain Zones

    • In Infinity N4, the Area of Effect of a Special Terrain zone is the area in where its special effects are applied. Any Trooper in Silhouette contact with a Special Terrain zone, or whose base or Silhouette Template is covered at least partially by a Special Terrain zone, is equally affected by the Effects of the zone.
    Terrain & Scenery Structures - Infinity (infinitythewiki.com)
     
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  9. Forthfaran

    Forthfaran Well-Known Member

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    A question that crossed my mind:
    A model touching the zone counts as if it were in the zone, but does this also increase the zone‘s area? From the rules I do not think so.

    this would mean that while the smoke zone has infinite height, the model touching it has it‘s normal height and I can see/shoot over it.
    Also if a model A outside the zone is in silhouette contact with a model B touching the zone, model A will not be affected by the zone (as model B only counts as in the zone, but does not extend the zone)

    Is this reasoning correct?
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    The trooper touching the visibility zone is affected by it, both the benefits and the drawbacks. This does not mean that the zone itself extends to the Trooper's base.
     
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