Yep this is it. CA is already attacking the main planet of the HS and the human factions have nothing better to do, than smashing their own heads instead of the alien ones. The whole "the aliens are already at the front door fluff" do not touch me. In the online campaigns - as much as I like them - CA never had the chance to represent this dooming thread over humanity. Because it has not the player base. This could be better when the fluff changes to something like we had with the neo colonial wars. Were you can include all factions in more sensing way. CB does indeed feature some minor conflicts between the factions in the booklets of the battle boxes but this never expands. TAG Raid for example could be the background of a faction wide new conflict on a ressource rich moon or asteroid fields, were the factions went, building space stations and settlements in a gold rush. So I came to the conclusion, that I want is a new campaign BOOK. Like Paradiso but this time new, shiney, with more afford, more background for every faction. Better Spec Op rules. Online campaigns can run alongside the main campaign. According the quality of the books the Uprising was my personal lowlight. How many times the Kuge set up an ambush, sizing a police station or whatever, followed by some fighting, were the managed to win against a mightyer force .... this could be told in a ITS season PDF and finish. 40K and HH has some very deep fluff and some very good books. Storm of Iron is my personal fave because it make my build my own Iron Warriors. But from the writing quaility I think the Nightlord Triology from Aaron Dembsky Boden is one of the best. I also like the Black Legion book and of course the Heresy stuff, but I have to admit I don´t read it anymore. It was a bit too much, the timelime stretched to much.
I think the fluff is silly and technofetishist and over the top rule of cool exaggerations. And that is exactly how I want my hobby escapism. If I want realistic war stories we have plenty in real life. The narrative serves the purpose of keeping a large number of factions plausibly involved in less than all out war. It makes for a less believable but more interesting world, which is fine by me.
I like the fluff of Infinity and the world CB built. For me, the continued infighting in the human sphere makes sense. We hate uniting and there will always be vultures who will try to profit during times of crisis (which the spec ops missions of infinity represent for me). Even if it would be logical. When the war was limited to Paradiso, most of the Human Sphere did not care or know how bad it was. Now the home of O-12 is under attack, I would not be surprised that in Endsong, there will be more discussion of an attempt of unity.
Why would anyone? Your psychotic, pathetic, and puerile response to PS indicates it would be a fool’s errand. And his point about many who denigrate it not having read more than a sliver stands. It’s quite fun, especially as a glimpse of how different factions see themselves and the others.
One of the (to me, at least, things many folks who dislike the fluff tend to elide is that all of it is written from an “in universe” point of view, and much of it comes from Maya or Arachne shows. With getting into sides, pick most any TV station in any nation. Over the top is what we do.
That’s not the first time I’ve heard Aaron Dembsky Boden mentioned. I’ll have to check him out. While it’s a tangent to the overall discussion I’ve seen Abnett’s Gaunt’s Ghosts recommended very occasionally in ordinary sci-fi threads (mil sci-fi) but that’s about it. Horus Heresy is cool but I cannot imagine someone outside the community reading them.
Outrage was fun, Betrayal existed. The RPG books are ok, they have the most actual fluff, but they are also for another product and so expensive to get just to read. The N4 book was an abomination of editing, writing, and overall quality. I regret spending my money on those. Infinity fluff just isn't that great. It's ok. It's workable. And most importantly it just gets out of the way. The big issue is that it's inaccessible to most people trying to get into the game. The number one complaint we get trying to push the game is that the fluff is almost non-existent from an outside perspective, to the point where people just don't want to get into it because they don't really have any available fluff to excite them about a faction. The other big thing is that there is a lack of making your models "your dudes", there's no way to really make them their own character, tweak them at all, or any of that.
I don’t get how this could be levelled as criticism against the background? We’re right now presented with a clear apocalypse level threat in global warming and no one (in power) is really doing anything about it. There’s plenty of evidence throughout history of how irrational, spiteful, greedy and short sighted we are. Why is it hard to believe that we would behave any different towards the glorious Evolved Intelligence. I would like to see more fifth column units in Army besides Aida and Victor (I guess they don’t really count as they’re vat grown agents). I enjoy playing human mercenary scum in CA selling their own species for some hard credit stacks. It would be super cool with an NA2 army with human mercs and Tohaa Trihedron (I think they’re called, long time since reading that). Ultimately, to get back on point, I really enjoyed Downfall and Betrayal as a guilty pleasure but I have a hard time reading Gutier’s fluff. It seems he works best as an art director than an author.
To me, the only reason that people say that the Infinity fluff is inaccessible is because it is one of the few things you actually have to purchase. Infinity really gives so much of its system away for free and things that they don't might feel locked away. But they do have a good amount available on the website and CB YouTube I am also happy with the work that the community has been doing to share the fluff through FanFics and Lore Videos. I show those to people to get them interested in the world of Infinity.
I like the fluff, I'm not a CB employee. No one needs to prove anything to you because of the next point... Or, you misread that, and he's making the simple statement that most of the folks that don't like the fluff, either have never really read it or simply don't buy it. If the book is all fluff and you don't like the fluff, don't buy it. It's a pretty simple concept.
I think @Camo Token you misread, or chose to interpret what I said in a quite bizarre way, quite peculiar. @Brokenwolf I agree with what you say there is enouph fluff for free, but the big contextual fluff is locked in the books, but then again its of of the few things that are not provided for free, I am looking at some community creators who do fluff presentations, if you could PM me a few to see if I am missing somebody I would appreciate it.
The problem with the RPG books is that they take the basic info from CB and then try to stretch it out as much as possible. They don't really add much detail for most of the stuff, just padding the word count for describing the planets and stuff. It's decent, but after a bit it gets tiresome.
I quite liked some of the detailing parts though like the obsession Uhlan pilots have with red. I really want an Uhlan pilot HVT to paint.
Dude, if you were projecting any harder, you'd be a home theater setup with a kilolumen output value.
Which is exactly the reading I have made - he explicite stated "if you say you don't like the fluff, it's funny that you've either never actually read it or had to read it from free pdfs". Because, as he states implicite, "everyone who actually read the fluff" liked it. And people who did not buy the books are not allowed an opinion, because reading it online / from a borrowed copy somehow doesn't count. See: filthy poor peasants cannot have a say. QED.
It's not a toupee. He actually takes the propecia and rogaine so it is his own unnaturally retained hair. It's not contemporary. It's a reference to the late James Traficant, a US politician who served as a representative for Ohio in the US congress. Thing about his toupee is that it was not a bad toupee as Space Ranger says. It was a very good quality toupee. It's just that Traficant wore it sideways. The background is interesting enough. The CA really cannot be much more than a raiding force. That whole tyranny of distance thing. An analog might be the US War for Independence. The English were the superior army and navy and national power by an order of magnitude over the colonial forces but could only ever control those areas they directly occupied. Unless and until the CA can start flipping human factions, they will never prevail.
Well, that kinda underlines that it's bad enough that it doesn't drive sales? Look at GW, they are a behemoth not simply because of the quality of the miniatures, but because the setting drove the sales of miniatures so hard for decades that they could afford to design and produce god tier quality HIPS sculpts and still sell them at exorbitant boutique luxury hobby prices. If CB had fluff half that good, they'd be able to fund miniature production with book sales. GW claims they are a "miniature company first". CB actually is and if miniature quality goes away, few people will bother playing another broken N5 iteration of the game.
