Easy Q If you have two opposing models in CC and a 3rd walks around and templates a shotgun at the enemy model only (not his friend), does the rule for Engage State affect both and they both need to save, or does the rule for Templates not able to hit friendlies apply and thus the shotgun cannot be used. Engaged state has a line with a bold on the ALL for ; - Template Weapons placed on a group of Troopers in Engaged state will always affect all participating Troopers, even if the placement of the Template would only affect one of them. Thanks
The template will be cancelled because it is affecting a friendly, even if the template only physically touches the enemy model.
Then why is that line in the Engaged State? (Have this chat with friends also) Why can I murder hobo blast a B5 AP HMG into two models in CC but cannot pick up a shotgun and do a single template and hope my HI walks away better or just takes a wound and walks away later? The rule as written says I can template and it will affect them both, but then why a conflicting rule?
Use the impact mode and you can do the same. :D I would hazard that since normally a template attack is cancelled for hitting your own dudes, this just ensures you can't get automatic hits by "just covering the enemy" and bypassing that -6 additional penalty.
It's also leaving the possibility to attack an enemy Engaged with a neutral trooper or another enemy in a 3+ player game. I think it also means that Smoke/Eclipse will affect both the Engaged troopers, even if only one is touching the template.
But a missile blasts out from the direct target and seems to reference if a model and a non cc model were close but not in CC (and is a friend) then you cant call down a missile and vaporize your buddy. But the wording in engaged state reads as overwriting that rule. What is also odd is I see people quoting rules and then adding "I think" in the wording. (sorry colbrook to use you) but do I need some one to verify or is everyone speculating here and interpreting what they think or what they have been told over time and never re confirmed it?
On my end, this goes into game design space and I'm not one of them. Some of this goes back in time to when you could put an Impersonation marker in close proximity to a valuable unit so they couldn't fire missiles or the like (which at the time, didn't have hit modes) and cancel attacks since Impersonation markers are "friendly".
That's because I didn't have time to look it up on the wiki, didn't want to make a definite comment without looking it up. Having time now it appears smoke creates a Zero Vis zone the size of the template, and zero vis zones don't appear to be contagious like a template weapon is. I will point out though that the Template rules are pretty explicit that you can't template into a Close Combat https://infinitythewiki.com/Template_Weapons_and_Equipment Template Weapons Into Close Combat Update 1.3, Nov 2022 Template Weapons placed on a group of Troopers who were engaged in Close Combat during the Activation phase of the current Order will always affect every Trooper involved, even if, due to the Template’s placement, it contacts only some of them. Players must take this into account, since Attacks cannot be performed against Allied Troopers.
You-re awesome. Some one else just helped me out and explained that I am reading something that maybe translated partially or missing more info that should be required. IE Taking this line from the engaged state rule page is correct and would read as you can nuke your own trooper; - Template Weapons placed on a group of Troopers in Engaged state will always affect all participating Troopers, even if the placement of the Template would only affect one of them. A better version would be to update the Engage State Rule to Include template weapons a tad better so you don't have to read two separate rules and try to combine them as I was reading them as independent of each other; Updated - Template Weapons placed on a group of Troopers in Engaged state will always affect all participating Troopers, even if the placement of the Template would only affect one of them. While doing so, players must take this into account, since Attacks cannot be performed against Allied Troopers as per the Template Weapons into Close Combat Rule Thanks for the patience and time.
Missile launchers and other template weapons got the second mode that does not utilize a template, so that the Speculo cannot take out the Avatar for a walk like she did on either the first or the second Interplanetario.
