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Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by Andre82, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Apparently now Nomads are a faction that has just as heavy materiel as the others but uniformly better hacking.
     
  2. L2590

    L2590 Active Member

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    Literally signed on just to unironically agree with this. I miss the days where this forum was about putting Bostria's head on everything, spamming silly lists, making up Exrach units and everyone gathering around the "Tabletop Incidents" thread (the literal best thread on any forum). Sure it wasn't perfect, there was "that thread", certain posters (one of whom I think imploded when Icestorm didn't bomb like he insisted it would) and the occasional theoryhammer storm, but it was good natured for the most part... now everyone seems to read too much Goonhammer.

    Having played the game again, it's balanced for the most part - messily because it's too big now but better than N3 and especially N2 (who remembers Vector Opertaors, 2 Daturazi and 4 Pretas for under 100 pts... I apologies for any PTSD flashbacks that causes). Unless people are exclsuively playing 400pt games I can't see how any of this hypothetical nightmare Interventor castle and repeater spam nonsense is even viable without gimping your list in other ways. It just rings of N3 "20 order camo spam is unbeatable" complaints by people who didn't realise that shotguns (RIP shooting templates) were a thing.
     
  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Nah, I'll complain about Haqq too, but this isn't the thread.

    Also Goonhammer is *realll* bad at Infinity. I wouldn't take their articles too seriously.
     
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  4. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    PanO players don't have feelings, come now

    Also a CA player complaining about other factions is rich
     
  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Given you came into this thread saying Yu Jing players deserve to feel bad for... playing Yu Jing, you could stand to act your age.

    Nomads and HB get way too many goodies.
     
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  6. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Nah, Corregidor never should have gotten HD+.

    It's not just about how long they've been around, however - it's also about how far the design team is willing to go to make them overpowered. Remember, they wanted camo Morans.
     
  7. SpectralOwl

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    Have you tried Nomads? They get forward Repeaters on the Skirmisher Specialists they were bringing anyway and top-tier utility Hackers with built-in defenses for under 30pts. The Corregidor "nightmare scenario" is a heck of a lot more expensive and does actually shape the list (one Impersonator can annhilate it too), but the simpler version of it can be almost auto-include and is incredibly oppressive for how little it costs; inflicting debuffs on anything wandering through midfield, easily Isolating just about any key Hackable and having the option to artillery-shell top-heavy lists into oblivion at a moderate Order cost. It's countered by Marker play and early aggression, but people are getting tired of only being able to play the same couple of list archetypes in serious-tournament all-comers lists. I know with my NCA I'd like to not have my tournament lists, regardless of mission, assigned to "The Fun One" and "They Can Take Morans".
     
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  8. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Nomad/Corregidor player here. I posted this in the “Isn’t It Too Much” thread, but repeating since some people are still flogging the falsehood that calls to reign in Nomads are “just YJ whining”:

    Jazz with Tinbot in a link with Morans is really unbalanced for the points cost. I say this as a frequent user/abuser of that setup.

    @SpectralOwl explained it well, I won’t repeat. But yes, we Nomad players are among the bigger proponents of some minor tweaks to rebalance these things.

    Adding a tool for counterplay against Tinbot-minus-6-buffed hackers in links would be the best measure for that. Better than just nerfing stuff.
     
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  9. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    I like the deactivator buff. I think that will solve a lot of issues.
     
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  10. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Feelings don’t make money.

    And the “split off MO” chorus elides and ignores how enmeshed MO is in PanO, while JSA had few connections to YJ as a whole.
     
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  11. Gwynbleidd

    Gwynbleidd Non asto coram malo

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    Very true. Feelings alone have never made money. As a PanO player @Solar I’d argue that I do have feelings. But I play almost all other factions too so does that still make me a PanO player?

    @A Mão Esquerda is correct here in the few connections JSA had with Yu Jing as a whole. Splitting JSA from Yu Jing was a far less messy affair than it’d be to split MO from panoceania. You’d have to tear apart acontecimento and svalarheima to pull them out of PanO. Varuna too would lose a unit in the knight of montesa. With JSA it was much easier to detach. Some will argue it shouldn’t have been taken from yu jing and that’s their opinion, but it wasn’t as difficult to remove as taking MO out would be.
     
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  12. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    And, in universe, PanO wants money and power. Feelings get neither.
     
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  13. Furiat

    Furiat Mandarin

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    That was done in time when YJ had 2 sectorials and ISS used japanese profile (ninja). So they were connected. Also it was 50% of their sectorials gone. CB should have released IA prior to uprising. Damage prevention rather than control.

    Edit: autocorrect
     
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  14. Weathercock

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    It is worth noting that, at the time of the uprising, Varuna and Winterfor didn't exist as playable factions. The only thing Acon stood to lose was the Montesa (so as much overlap as JSA had with ISS), who's original form they did end up losing anyway.

    Obviously, things are a bit different now. Yu Jing's sectorials are now much more integrated than before, for better or worse. For a long time, they felt lazy and half-finished at best. Thankfully, we're well past that awkward phase.


    What I'm really getting down to is that we need an MO uprising with Christian JSA rebellion lead by an Amakusa Shiro recreation.
     
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  15. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Aaaaaand cue useless partisan faction bickering…productive discussion was fun while it lasted at least.

    OP, hope you got a decent idea of where the game is at right now.

    Final word is, still super fun and worth playing. Smoother than N3, and a really cool variety of play options now available to every faction.

    There are a few relatively mild balance issues (vs the scale of balance issues in GW or PP games for example), which need a fix but the game is still playable without. They are easily handled within your local group, either with houserules or discouraging playing the broken configurations more than occasionally. They can also be controlled for at tourneys, though that is up to the TO.
     
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  16. Gwynbleidd

    Gwynbleidd Non asto coram malo

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    Do they also want Druish princesses? They’re attracted to money and power and PanO has both… sorry. I’ve seen spaceballs way too many times. But yes, feelings don’t get you either, they just get in the way.

    Agreed here. My point above was that it was relatively easy to remove JSA from Yu Jing when it was done. Now, it’d be far more difficult due to, as you noted, the factions being more integrated, like it’d be for removing MO now.

    I am intrigued by an uprising led by an Aleph recreated Amakusa Shiro… would certainly be interesting. A NA2 mash up of MO and JSA troops… hopefully the outcome wouldn’t be as grim. Think he got his head on a pike as a warning (excuse my Japanese history here, it’s been a few years).

    Edit: quick check on Wikipedia, yes, poor fellow did lose his head. Eep. I remembered his age totally wrong though as well as the date I was thinking of.

    Now… as @Savnock has said: back to the original topic. Post agreed with for the most part @Savnock, I’d like to add that the way criticals work now have made the game more enjoyable although I will miss critting TAGs (looking at the Avatar here) to death. It was a fun past time for my haqqi in N3…
     
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  17. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member
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    No not really. PanO needs a things, but this isn't it. We need profile differentiation and faction definition. We also need to not have the same large core of models be 5/5 sectorials as it seems to be compounding issues. Theres a reason nobody talks about vanilla PanO being an issue with the game.
     
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  18. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    One good thing that now that the main CB rules Guru is back in good health, hopefully they will be able to resolve that 10%
     
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  19. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I would like to point out that PM's are Private Messages and as such they are not to be published in the forum, old members know this and should remember it, for new members a reminder.

    Overall it is a decent discussion, please continue.
     
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  20. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Where's that rule?
     
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