Is using a Gizmokit remotely a use of the Gizmokit skill or a use of the BS Attack skill

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  1. Spleen

    Spleen Well-Known Member

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    The new Zoe with Synchronized Pi Well has a B2 Gizmokit, I'm wondering if it would be possible for Pi Well to engage an enemy with his pistol while Zoe uses her Gizmokit to repair an allied unit in a single order.

    It seems Gizmokit is it's own ability that simply makes a "call" so to speak to the BS Attack rules for resolution, but that the actual declaration is "Gizmokit".

    I'm curious to hear what the general opinion on this is?
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Gizmokit used remotely is a BS Attack according to the equipment rules.


    • Used remotely, a GizmoKit is considered a Non-Lethal BS Weapon. If the user passes a BS Attack Roll, applying the corresponding MODs (for Range, Cover, etc.), the target will perform a single PH Roll.
     
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    Does Zoe/Pandora get +1 burst when using GizmoKit/MediKit in silhouette contact? I can't find anything in the rules that would explicitly forbid this.
     
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    there is no burst when used as contact equipment, they don't even need to roll (only the target does).
     
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    Spleen Well-Known Member

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    That language is not dissimilar to, for example, Speculative Attack though:

    But when you actually perform this BS Attack the skill you declare is Speculative Attack, which matters when multiple troopers are declaring the same skill.

    The argument would be, because the rule you quoted appears within a skill box which is linked to that equipment, the skill you declare is Gizmokit, and that skill tells you to resolve a BS Attack.

    Is there a more comprehensive refutation for such a claim that I'm maybe missing?
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Ah hang on. Your thinking is correct.

    The use of Gizmokit is a BS Attack, but it isn't the BS Attack skill. So no, you can't use Gizmokit on one target and have your Synch use Chain Rifle on another. The Engineer is still declaring the skill Gizmokit.
    My mistake was treating Gizmokit purely as a weapon.

    Comparable rules text from Coordinated Orders:
    However, in a BS Attack part of a Coordinated Order, none of the participants could declare Speculative Attack or Intuitive Attack, since these Skills are different than a BS Attack.
    Peripheral rules text:
    Peripherals are always activated with the same Order as their Controller, executing the same Short Skills of the Order, or Entire Order, although they are not required to have the same target.​
     
    #6 Mahtamori, Aug 5, 2022
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