HB - New Changes

Finally a change for the Ayyar. My boy is back.

 

Still don't see a use for him really...
And missing is the fact that Hassasins can take McMurder now.

Don't get why they removed the cheap options from Govads+Muyibs. Yasbir is still a never-take for me :-(

 

Regarding Ayyar changes: Hidden Deployment Holoprojector? So if I come out of HD, I place 3 Holo markers? even in reactive turn?

I can see lots of discussions on these profiles in the future...

 

To pop up in ARO he would have to declare something and therefore immediately lose the echoes?

 

yes, that seems ok.

But in active turn I place 3 Holomarkers while I declare move for example?

 

I think so, yes

 

I'm not sure.

You'd be deployed with Holoechos, if you are deployed normally. Or Holoechos will re-generate at turn's end.
If you walk out of Hidden Deployment, I don't really think they activate at that situation...

...On the other hand, Bashi Bazouk have always deployed from Parachutist with their Holoechos on. So there is a precedent...

 

I don't understand what role they want for the Ayyar... just seems they dont either. I would sugest FD 8" if he is supposed to be a roadblock, or Mimetism -3 if they chose to keep the sniper profile. The current ones are just pointless at that cost. HD in the deploy zone? WTF?

 

I'm happy to see something was done with the Ayyar; I was hoping for something with the Ragik too but one can't have it all. Being able to throw out mines seems pretty annoying. Can't much see the point of Hidden Deployment.

I'll need to do some math on the Lasiq viral marksman rifle. It is sort of in between the viral rifle and sniper, but worth the SWC (which it costs...why?). Linkable engineer is nice; I'm glad this skill is being spread out more.

Characters: a missed opportunity to give Yara Haddad a keyword for linking. Yasbir getting DropBears is something, but his profile still seems a little all over the place. Might still be worth trying the FTO. Pandora seems like Avicenna - fine for her role but I don't see taking her over other similar specialist options. And...McMurrough?

 

Weapons with B3+, range beyond 16", and DA ammo are incredibly rare. In fact, I think they might be nonexistant in the weapons table.

Of course, CB cheats that rule by giving out upgrades, e.g. Knauf and Karhu both have long-range DA that becomes B3 due to (+1B) upgrades. But notionally, I don't think long-range B3 DA weapons are supposed to exist outside upgrades.

(Even the viral MMR doesn't exist in the weapons table, it's an upgrade MMR(viral) which technically breaks the rules since viral isn't an ammo type).

So I'm not surprised it costs SWC.

 

Its a weird one as its cheaper (ignoring SWC) than viral rifle profile (due to it lacking the X-visor). For HB, I can definitely see its use as it is terrifying and you usually have SWC to spare. The fact it can link is very scary.

 

@QueensGambit Fair enough - I'm convinced it can be good. But (unless I'm missing a distinction), there are options with B3+ which can cause multiple wounds per hit with range beyond 16, namely the T2 marksman rifles on Plushenko and Strelok, neither of which cost SWC.

 

The Lasiq one can link and get Burst 4?

EDIT: To be clear, it can basically be a Burst 4 Spitfire with DA+Shock that hits against BTS for only 25 points and 1 SWC. That it a very, very good for the points and I will be shocked if it does not become very popular. Dedicating a small Haris to this seems worth it.

 

That's probably part of it too. I'm not sure I normally have SWC left over in HB lists but yeah, I might give it a spin. I wonder if that calculus is also why Lasiqs don't have the Bahram keyword.

 

If I am reading the rules correctly for hidden deployment and holoecho state. The Ayyar can come out of hidden deployment on active turn and deploy further beyond the deployment zone up the board as long as him and his holoechos are within coherency of each other???

 

My ideas:

Haris One
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3
LASIQ (BS Attack [+1 Dam]) Marksman Rifle(Viral) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 25)
YARA HADDAD (Strategic Deployment) AP Marksman Rifle / Heavy Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
MUYIB (Doctor [+3]) Rifle, Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
1 SWC | 80 Points
Open in Infinity Army

80 points and pretty self-sufficient. It looks like it could do some work.

Haris Two
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3
LASIQ (BS Attack [+1 Dam]) Marksman Rifle(Viral) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 25)
LEILA SHARIF (Hacker) Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
GOVAD Heavy Machine Gun / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 29)
2.5 SWC | 74 Points
Open in Infinity Army

Fights its way to the midfield and accomplishes objectives. Expensive in SWC though.

And finally:

Haris LoL
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3
LASIQ (BS Attack [+1 Dam]) Marksman Rifle(Viral) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 25)
HASSASSIN HUSAM YASBIR FTO Rifle, Light Shotgun(+1B), Drop Bears ( | Holomask) / Pistol, Viral CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
YARA HADDAD (Strategic Deployment) AP Marksman Rifle / Heavy Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
1 SWC | 80 Points
Open in Infinity Army

Hide Yasbir as an Asawira or a Muyib. Just for the silliness.

 

I reread the rules of Hidden deployment and Holoprojector.

1) Cancel Hidden State:
The Hidden Deployment State is automatically cancelled whenever the Trooper declares any Short Skill, Entire Order or ARO. The Trooper's Model or Marker will be placed on the game table, in the position you wrote down, facing in the direction of your choice.

2) Deploying Holo Echoes:
Automatic when deployed, placing up to three Holoechoes on the game table, within Coherency of at least one of the other Holoechoes, respecting the general conditions of the Deployment rules.

3) Holo Echo is canceled when:
The Holoprojector bearer declares an Attack, Look Out! or any Skill that require a Roll.
The Holoprojector bearer declares an Entire Order other than Cautious Movement.

If I read this right there might be the case that an enemy Camomarker comes into LoS of my Ayyar in Hidden Deployment and I choose delay as ARO - that cancels Hidden state (as in 1) of my Ayyar but not my Holo Echo state (as I do not anything like mentioned in 3), so I place 3 Holo Echoes (as in 2) in coherency, respecting the Deployment rules of the scenario.

Is this correct?