If I have a tag (scarface) and chose to dismount from the tag, all the AROs should hit the tag and not the pilot who exits at resolution. If I'm reading it correctly the damage doesn't transfer to the pilot who can still exit an unconscious tag. What happens if there is a direct template weapon ARO on the Tag. Ex: HRL shooting the tag at the same time time as the pilot exits the tag. Is the pilot hit by the template?
The Pilot exits immediately upon Declaration, not at Resolution. The Pilot's profile is used for the entire Order and enemies can only ARO against the Pilot, not the TAG.
And if the ARO against the pilot is a template weapon that also hits the TAG, then yes I think they would both have to take saves.
No, this is wrong. Look at the bullet point: The Trooper must mount or dismount at the start of the Order, after having declared the first Short Skill of the Order, or the Entire Order, but before measuring any movement. The part in red means that you're declaring the dismount before you've even finished resolving the movement skill that was declared, so there haven't been any AROs yet. And combined with the next bullet point: The new Troop Profile (Mounted/Dismounted) is applied for the entire Order Sequence, while the original profile will not be considered. the newly activated profile is what will be generating AROs. Yeah, it would be nicer if the text spelled that out explicitly, but that's the result.
thanks, I was reading 'pilot' and not 'general movement' in the wiki. A) From Pilot: If the Vehicle or TAG is in Unconscious State, the Pilot can still Dismount and use their Profile. B) From General Movement The Skill with the Movement Label must be one that can be declared by the original profile. C) From Unconscious Troopers in this state cannot declare Orders or AROs. D) Beserk is a movement skill I'm assuming the Pilot rule (A) supersedes the Unconscious rule (C) After reviewing again with the context of the Scarface Tag being unconscious, and the pilot still being inside. 1) I can't have the pilot declare a berserk skill to discharge, since it conflicts with (B). Also I don't know how LOS works with the unconscious tag. 2) I basically need to Idle to dismount, then I can use the pilot on the second order. 3) Dismounting is like going prone and not a short skill. am I missing anything. Ideally I was hoping to be able to have Scarface pilot dismount while beserking since both the tag & pilot have the skill (See B). But I think if combined with (C) I don't think it works, due to LOS.
I'm pretty sure, because both the pilot and the TAG have the skill, that you'd be able to get any jury of Infinity players to agree that it's reasonable to dismount after declaring Berserk, if you make sure during a dismount that the TAG can see the target at the start of the order, and the pilot can see the target from where it's placed. That seems to me that it'd be the good faith interpretation, and the way the rules are written that seems fair.
I'm trying to find if there is anything about unconscious models having LOS. If the unconscious tag has an LOS then you in theory can declare beserk on the tag, letting the pilot finish the order. From what I see the rule (C) was a catch all, that lets them ignore unconscious interactions on the active turn. Again this assumes rule (A) superseded rule (C). Given the quiet nature of the responses its gone to the secret council for clarification. I have a feeling the rule (A) is going to be FAQed out of existence. It would be a cool option, and makes the bootleg model relevant.
You just need to fill in the blank the rules throw at you if you find out when it comes time to measure distance after having dismounted that Mr Scarface the Fleshbag (pilot) isn't able to reach the target. I would assume the most correct way to handle it is to consider the dismount cancelled along with the Berserk declaration and just have Scarface the Scrapheap (tag) do an Entire Order Idle. Let's just say that the rules are not really good on explaining this one, but for the sake of cancelling Marker state declarations they don't get to treat them as having LOF. Strictly speaking Unconscious units do have a LOF, though, since the definition of having LOF has been given and isn't revoked by the Unconscious state
