Not sure what you mean about Kusunagi here, she has both LT and non-LT profiles so you can push with her if you want to. I'm quite happy with the LT Taskmaster being the Red Fury, just always wish it was a Specialist as well as the Haris option does suffer from lack of specialists. Although give that the Haris is less than 60 points, there are always going to be some Zeros around to push buttons instead.
https://infinitytheuniverse.com/army/list/gfcHYmFrdW5pbg1CYWt1bmluIGxpc3Q/gSwCAQYAgesBAQAAhhwBAQAAga8BBwAAga8BBQAAga8BBgAAgZgBAQACBgCBjQEDAACBoAEEAACBqgECAACBnAEBAACBnAEBAACBrQEEAA== So i put together a list i an really actually eager to try, Riot Grrls + Fiddler + Avi in a core link, and with a bot for an extra order to the crew if needed, and then the second combat group the 3 reverends are the harris with a ton of remote for repeater/hacking and the Evo rem with baggage for reloads on the pitcher/making a web. Now i have been getting up to gear with my Yu-jing, and brushing off my Nomads for fun, but this list looked fairly solid? I tried to play around the with Reverends in the core five man link but its just to costy, and i think the Riot grrls with fiddler and avi would just be better all around? it gives me specalists *everywhere* at least? Bakunin list? ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 6 AVICENNA Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27) Fiddler FTO (Super-Jump) Contender(+1B), Drop Bears, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 28) RIOT GRRL (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29) RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32) RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33) STEMPLER ZOND Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 16) GROUP 2 6 REVEREND HEALER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 33) REVEREND CUSTODIER (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31) SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) KUSANAGI (Lieutenant) Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 42) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
I don't mind the Taskmaster and his crazy buddies not really having Specialist access. This sectorial is the home faction of Zeroes... Having a specialist close to an objective isn't difficult, and I like the fact that the Taskmaster Haris is focused and cheap. Burst 5 HMG, Burst 2 Chain Rifles, Burst 2 smoke, and everyone close-combat capable for very few points is phenomenal. You even get stuff that's above-and-beyond like mines, Burst 5 Assault Pistol, or a wild Metachemistry option. @Samiberi I like the Riot Grrrl team, but I'd ditch the Riot Grrrl Specialist (you already have two) and get the Tinbot profile. It gives you a template wielder and good infowar protection. I'd also get the list up to 15 Orders, probably by dropping the EVO Hacker. If you have the Tinbot for the Core team, you don't really have anything worthwhile to use it on. Would the Healer, Custodier and Kusanagi be a Haris? Or all run solo? I think they'd be happier solo, but if that's the case, you could probably find other units to fulfill the role of the Healer or Custodier.
Kusanagi, custodier and healer are a haris, usually go to the side of the board and considering that all three could be the LT option for others to guess which is which i like the extra Burst from the haris for a sorta defense as well as a sorta offense kind of deal, its a bit more expensive then the cheap Hsien + 2 Corpo Security i run but its basically got the same teeth? I have not run with the Tinbots so much, but that swap could/would be pretty easy to do, what would you replace the EVO hacker with? I kind of like it as an option for my list when dealing with groups that combat jump and the like but i haven't played a well set up spread of armies in a long while and my meta is growing here again but its 90% Sha combined army lol
Sadly the Reverend Healer does not have a LT Profile. Personally I like the Custodiers, but they are too expensive for what they bring in my opinion (but I adore the sculpts - even if they are old). You name three tasks for the EVO: order generating, refilling Pitchers, denying AD. The last 2 are fairly situational as your opponents needs to have AD and your EVO hast to stay in the vincinity of the Custodier in order to refill his Pitchers. I would drop the the EVO along with the whole Reverend Haris and get something like Taskmaster LT + 2 Morlocks w/AssaultPistol plus Moderator Hacker and Moderator Pitcher - and you still have like 38points 1,5swc (and 2 places to reach 15 orders) left for whatever shenanigans you plan - Zeros, Bran, Meteor, Uberfallkommando
I dont have the taskmaster yet, it's on my list, but he and the morloks do seem really good. Are the reverend's just that bad for their points cost? I really like the models and hoped the Harris with the three and some rem support might help with games. My local meta is just getting back up and running, and everyone is very new (and I havnt really played much since n2, just a few games in n3) so my opponents are fairly well known. Its three combined army players, all playing shavesti (with one messing about onyx from time to time) and one ardiana Kosmo player who swaps to 0-12 from time to time, and one pan 0 player who is big into their military orders and an old timer coming back who plays shock army oan 0. The more we pull out my terrain and play the more people dust off their armies or even pick up armies! So threads like this and peoples input really helps! Thanks!
Revs, Kusanagi excepted, are very vulnerable to Templates or being Shocked off the table considering their cost. They can work very well if you can play around these limitations, but that is increasingly hard with most profiles in the game now carrying small DTWs. I wouldn't really risk taking a Fireteam of them anymore, but they're far from unusable.
I do love the uber's but I'm also trying to stay away from really powerful pieces and combos, primarily because the individuals growing the community are so very very new. I've got experience over several editions even if I'm not like a hundred percent on all things I do have very good idea and well experience. Our first month had to be showing them not to leave doctors/paramedics at home and to bring specalists and hackers and the like. Some have taken to the forums and really absorbed things which is awesome. Those are who the above list is for. They dont want kid gloves but also dont want me to bring the things they have seen in all the "top ten most broken/overpowered units in infinity" videos and stuff lol. I also want to get back into my factions and really enjoy the game and reacquaint myself with units! Hence the list lol. It looks fun and not like terrible We are also trying to do our own little narrative thing and my bakunin is going to make an appearance as "npc" faction half way threw for people
Kusanagi herself is the only Reverend that I rate. Her Spitfire option is a great choice, and I actually have a list or two with the MULTI Rifle profile because that +1 SWC can be really, really valuable if you're reaching for certain tools. The Reverend Doctor and Custodier feel about 5-6 points too expensive for their roles. The Moiras feel 5-10 points too expensive. I'd love to adore those profiles... They're classic Infinity, and hugely iconic. But even a Haris Team of them feels like a lot. I think they were rightly identified as not being great profiles last edition, but instead of slimming their cost down, they bulked them up instead. Number 2, NCO, Zappers, CC19, E/M weaponry are all well and nice, but when you combine them all together, the cost adds up fast. At the end of the day, I think players just want a Mimetism (-6) HMG. The rest is just frosting. Having just picked up Bakunin in the last 18 months, and seeing it with fresh eyes, I'd say: Don't hesitate to make use of those great cheap troops, because they're really the backbone for Bakunin's iconic specialized warbands and Heavy Infantry hitters. The moderators, Zeros, REMs are standard, useful units that get you to 15 Orders and help provide support for the freaks and crazies who do your killing. My lists are routinely using Taskmaster + Morlocks, Riot Grrrls, and (as @Hachiman Taro says) at least one Chimera. If I could program Army to auto-include a Chimera every time I make a Bakunin list, I would.
@Samiberi in addition to what others have said (all good advice above), I want to congratulate you on growing the Infinity community in your area. While others are catching up on the game’s skill curve is an excellent time to enjoy playing less-than-optimal units or lists for fun. Learning to play through a mild handicap will also help you cope with surprise opponents at tourneys which have strong counters to your lists. You know all this I think, just a voice in support here (because other corners of this forum can be pretty strident about “trash units” etc.). The Observance troops are on that list of less than optimized units, but still a good time overall. The highly-skilled Custodier/Healer/Kusanagi team is fun if fragile. So is the Meteor Zond, which I really enjoy playing here and there but isn’t really uber. Being careful with AD and newbies is a good idea, but this is a good shallow-end-of-the-pool introduction to it at least. And Zoe and Pi-Well are maybe slightly behind the present power curve in some peoples’ eyes, but their utility is crazy good and they are still good fun.
I like what Zoe and Pi Well bring. Engineers are always useful, Bakunin always likes Hackers, Pi Well is great, and you're paying 0 SWC for all of them. If you've made good use of cheap troops for other roles, you're very likely to be able to afford a slightly more expensive pair like them. You have to be careful that you don't lose your list's Engineer by having Zoe picked off by a bad infowar decision, but the fact that she's a decent Hacker and a decent Engineer for 0 SWC definitely has a place.
Thanks! I'm still trying to figure each and every little thing out as I go. And learning how fireteams work and interact as well as what is expensive and what is overly expensive and whatnot is important. This is the third time I've worked on my community. Each time people have moved away so it ends up getting to about eight or ten players then down to two! This time we have some people who are getting into it who have set down roots and everyone is buying terrain and I think at this point we can set up four rather dense tables! And yeah, I don't want to use super broken combos at the moment. Primarily as everyone is just learning. But I do need to know more. I'm the only player with nomads and yujing in the area (which has held true since n2 on yu jing lol) so I want to give these guys some experience fighting them and seeing what they are about! The reverend's are so iconic so I really wanted to showcase them a bit, but it's very good to know they are costed a bit to high for their survivability! I never really ran them that much before hand outside of fun games vs my pan 0 friend who is getting his stuff out to play again! So! Since we derailed the thread a bit here I'll try to get back on track, with the n4 changes to fireteams and the pure and mixed elements as well as what we have it looks like the riotgrrl team is getting a thumbs up from everyone, as is a taskmaster and morloks harris. The reverend's look to costy for a haris let alone a core What others should I avoid using for either to good or to bad? Are the core moderators worth looking at for a core fireteam with maybe one good SWC aro option?
@Samiberi Moderators are great, but primarily for their support role. With some innate BTS and a Pitcher option, they're good as Hackers. i wouldn't invest much in them from a firepower standpoint... That BS10 is about as bad as it gets. Even with the general change to linkability, they're pretty much going to be happier with a pricier, more elite unit linking/wildcarding with them. If you like the Reverends, I think Kusanagi or a Custodier Hacker operating solo are probably going to give you the most notable results. A solo HMG Moira is more appealing than it was a few weeks ago too, with the general toning down of Ballistic Skill.
The Moira MSR isn't a bad solo piece either. The cost is a little up there and she pales compared to the 4(?!?!?) points cheaper Knauf, but she can work well to clear a longer lane when you don't have as many long range options in the army and then sit back in ARO when you don't need her anymore.
i really love the Custodier model tbh, it was like the second model i ever got in this game, and mine is painted up well lol. and i have three versions of Kusanagi but ive never actually put her down on the table, i tend to *not* play special characters as i like making my own forces with my own stories and yadda yadda, but some folks in the growing meta love dropping wallace and ko dali and whatnot so a couple named folks back are not bad :D
Nothing wrong with using a character's rules to Count As whatever you want. Virtually none of my Bakunin miniatures are actually from the Bakunin miniature range. My Uberfall Team is Miranda Ashcroft leading 3 sword-wielding O-Yoroi pilots. My Riot Grrls are all heavily converted female Mobile Brigada. My Kusanagi is modified from Mobility Joan of Arc.
Riot Grrl missile launchers are an excellent ARO piece, when you can link them to get rid of Frenzy. What they don’t have good odds to shoot, they can dodge well. Moderator links are a good way to get a defensible cheerleader base, as others have pointed out. Hackers with Sixth Sense are very useful. Linking one Riot ML in a Core of Moderators will give you the best of each of those. BS 14, MSV B2 ML that can dodge anything that gets too close.
So a mixed fireteams will still be seen and used, just only getting the +1B +1 BS at five man, thats good to know still truthfully lol i was going to give my list a try this weekend, but out group is playing around with building a campaign so we played 150 point games to test out levels, it was pretty fun :D
I have been enjoying mixed 5 man links for more long range style links.+1B and +1BS still feels really good on riot grrl missile launchers and tsyklon feuerbachs. N4 Bakunin 300pts v1.0 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 8 1 1 VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 17) ZERO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22) TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) ZOE & Π-WELL undefined / undefined. (0 | 44) ZOE (Hacker) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 25) PI-WELL Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 19) REVEREND CUSTODIER (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31) SALYUT (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8) KUSANAGI Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 42) MORLOCK Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 12) GROUP 2 5 1 1 CHIMERA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Viral CC Weapon, Pistol. (0 | 20) 3X PUPNIK DA CC Weapon. (0 | 3) RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32) TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 36) MODERATOR (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11) MODERATOR (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 9) MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 9) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
