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Is Uma finally usable?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Jartza, Mar 24, 2022.

  1. Jartza

    Jartza Forum lurker

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    I just noticed that the Indigo Captain got some changes, maybe with the new Fireteam update? Anything is better than the original, but now that she has fresh coat of paint I wonder how people see her profiles now.

    I like how it's clearly separated between the two roles, either a camouflage marker with higher burst or universal link filler across multiple sectorials that allows those higher bonuses for Nisse, Bolts or Kamaus.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    The fact that her camouflaged form can leave the deployment zone is an upgrade by itself, it is nice her FTO has weaponry that is more designed to be in line with the ranges the rest of the fireteam she will probably be with would engage.
     
  3. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    While Uma is now far way better than she was, the power down some fireteams mix had suffered leave her in a weird position. The camo option looks now even playable, the thing is you almost has nothing to support her outside the area, only non camo units, so, extra points for any cheap unit which wants to catch Uma, because any player facing Winter will know that marker is Uma, unless you were playing nokkens minelayers... hell yeah, now we can do a gift to our rivals about 60 points in exchange of 20 or so... Maybe less. The thing is, now, if we are playing "full fusiliers FT" any smoke template will do the trick to avoid the "terrible" ARO, then he will can freely to go there and catch your "half table" (not a cheap or disposable) one.

    Maybe, of course, in vainilla, which it looks now a better choice than sectorials. Sorry, but I'm not in my best optimistic moment. This is my first glance to the new rules and I still don't manage to see how I can stop or at least delay some things I face usually in tournaments.

    While I will have the chance to play a little with the new rules I will give you my more "informed" input.
     
  4. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Having played with Dart so many times I do not think the lone marker is such a big issue, for the moment she is better than before and that is what matters, I think playing time will show the ups and downs her new profiles have.
     
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  5. Cadmo

    Cadmo Well-Known Member

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    I feel you Uroboros, but I thinks there is a chance for Uma, you could pair her with a beast hunter at least and a pacemaker to have some table control. Also she has climbging plus, so is more easy to protect. I'm not saying she es awsome but is something. And finally don't forget that Uma could play now in VIRD, were you could play some tricks with the zulu cobra (AVA 3).
     
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  6. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    I'm looking forward to fielding her outside fireteams, she has a pretty nice setup now.
     
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  7. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Thus both Uma's and Dart's main defence is camo state COMBINED with climbing plus. If you want to defend you just position her in some stupid place where enemy must spend several orders to get in her LoF.
    With a lack of sniffers the camo infiltration C+ combo is really strong.
     
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  8. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    She's in a better price range now than she used to be. The big challenge with the camo version is that 8 inches is just the zone of death. Mines, direct templates, Hacking, pistols, shotguns, these are all things she has to contend with in order for the SMGs to be effective. It demands she takes risks. Running and gunning at close range is one thing if you're a 9 point liberto trying to take someone with you. It's another if you costs 30 points. That being said, E/M mines do a lot for her. It's a great tool for PanO to have. And with Climbing Plus, she offers a surgical tool in the current meta for going after your opponent's best Spotlight Hacker, guided missile bot, etc.
     
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  9. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    She got a much better position in Fireteams (being native to Fusiliers and the Sectorial's Elite LK/MI)
    Doesn't pay for the double weapon loadout anymore
    and got Specialist Operative on top (which is massive for her solo version)

    Clear winner on all fronts.
    C+ Marker Specialist with FD is never bad to have if you didn't have one, even if screening is an issue.
    The Fireteam version slaps with DAM14, C+ and Rifle ranges. Anyone who ran Karhu in a Haris got a good idea how nasty C+ gunners with advanced Rifles can be.
     
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  10. AntipodeanBolt

    AntipodeanBolt PanOceanian Hypercorporate Delegation Secretary

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    Used FTO Uma yesterday in a Bolt core and a Bolt Haris. She put in work…Her Dam14 Breaker Combi backed up by 4 Bolts caused some serious headaches for my opponents. With Aida Swanson’s upgrade to minelayer I’m now looking at taking FD Uma, Aida and a Peacemaker. These three give me a massive amount of capability in terms of reserve drops. Peacemaker for Hackable targets, Aida for impersonators, and Uma for exposed flanks near objectives.

    My future list for experimentation for perusal

    All along the watchtowers
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    BOLT Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26)
    BOLT (Multispectral Visor L1) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 31)
    BOLT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    BOLT (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    MACHINIST NCA (Bioimmunity, Veteran) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    UMA SØRENSEN (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage, Forward Deployment [+8"]) Submachine Gun(+1B), E/M Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    ORC Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 37)
    QUINN Shock Marksman Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23)
    FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    AÏDA SWANSON (Minelayer) Submachine Gun(+1B), Viral Mines / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 23)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1
    AUXILIA (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 14)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4)
    PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
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  11. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I played this weekend with Uma in Winterforce, one match against Kosmo, where I used the infiltration one, and another against Bakunin, Lt option in a fusiliers haris. She did really well in both cases.

    Against Kosmo it wasn't Uma the problem, but the high density of templates my enemy had plus the absence in my forces of multivisors (I placed none, but I doubt some of them would remain until the last turn, so...) which made the game ended with a "smoke over the tech-coffin", "specialist inside the smoke open the tech-coffin", Kosmo won. In my last turn I couldn't take down any of the enemy ARO pieces, so I couldn't take any target.

    Agaisnt Bakunin I had that kind of match where all looks to go too well. People pushing buttons at first order, taking thins from panoplies wihout orders waste... The mission was armory, so my idea was to use Uma the last turn to kill whatever could be still on table and to place the haris inside the armory if neccesary. She did pretty well with the work.

    So, in conclusion, Uma, while not the "best profile ever", is useful, so I can't ask for anything more. I have the same feeling as I have with Quinn, a useful tool. I'm glad to write this :)

    @AntipodeanBolt I like your Neoterralist :) Thanks all of you for sharing your ideas and experiences regarding Uma.
     
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  12. AntipodeanBolt

    AntipodeanBolt PanOceanian Hypercorporate Delegation Secretary

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    Uma gave me a BTS-AP SWC free Spitfire effectively, in my Links. In the Haris i combined her with a Paramedic, and a Spitfire to to bulk the ftfs...but tbh she did all the shooting. But realistically they can bounce off each other to tap low arm and low BTS units in a contained strike package with a Paramedic watching their backs.

    In the Core gosh does she work. This is where her Breaker Combi comes in use. The layering of the weapon types and range bands in addition giving me what I effectively treat as in the same function as a Spitfire...allows me to reallocate that SWC elsewhere getting more SWC guns. In Antarctic terrain her Total+ Climbing Plus ensures shes moving just as fast as Bolts (looking at you Machinist without Total).


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    BOLT (Multispectral Visor L1) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 31)
    BOLT (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    BOLT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    UMA SØRENSEN FTO Breaker Combi Rifle(+1 Dam) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
    MACHINIST NCA (Bioimmunity, Veteran) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16)

    2 SWC | 125 Points

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    This is the haris I used but I guess you can drop the Spitfire and pick up a NCA Machinist for a mobile fire brigade


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    BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 27)
    BOLT (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    UMA SØRENSEN FTO Breaker Combi Rifle(+1 Dam) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)

    1.5 SWC | 78 Points

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    UMA SØRENSEN FTO Breaker Combi Rifle(+1 Dam) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
    BOLT (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    MACHINIST NCA (Bioimmunity, Veteran) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16)

    0 SWC | 67 Points

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  13. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    OMG, they fixed Uma. She is pricey but at least her costs makes sense. I am SO glad they removed the redundant weapons which where making her over costed. Theres no point in take a pricey breaker rifle if your duel wielding pistols and design for close in shooting on rooftops. Now her FTO option and Camo options have distinct roles. Camo Uma is now what the Locust should have been.

    Are those E/M mines new? Because WHAT A GREAT ADDITION. Especially for Neo Terra that generally lacks mines outside drop bears. Also, Uma in Vird? Wow, Pano can into Camo token mindgames.

    Uma's main weakness now is shes pricy and the two Pano factions with access to Dart would rather take Dart. Still while pricy she is worth her cost now.
     
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  14. AntipodeanBolt

    AntipodeanBolt PanOceanian Hypercorporate Delegation Secretary

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    Fortunately Uma isn't in the factions where Dart is. Additionally where concerned Uma trades combat power for button pushing...and TBH i have a metric tonne of Combat power I can project into the mid field through guns but not a lot of button pushers starting in the mid.

    Namely MO has Dart and Trins - Uma not needed
    ASA - Dart and Naga - Uma not needed
    VIRD, NCA, SWF - No Dart thus Uma.
     
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  15. Urobros

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    I could finally to play some games with Uma, so I can now speak from experience instead "theory".

    Yes, Uma now has more sense, enough to at least consider her as an option, in fact, two, beause the Lt is a good addition too. Now I think Uma is suffering the same as many MI in game, especially this N4, they are in a half way between LI and HI in costs, efficiency, etc. so has the "worst" of the two worlds, not extra cheap, neither extra hard.

    So, Uma...

    Non Infiltrator:

    (Sectorials, especially Winterforce).

    The Lt option is really interesting if we want to play with a "full cheap" fireteam as ARO piece with ML and Snipper, because later, when only 3 fireteams soldiers remain, Uma can do a lot of harm with burst 4 from the Breaker. Even if we want we can deploy her into a "fusiliers haris" to have the "team" ready for late action.

    Infiltrator:

    While give us another midfield unit, for winter even the "first and only" with camo state, capable in theory to do a lot of harm thanks the submachine gun in his hands, even she can do push button, suffer the same as many other midfield profile in Panoceania, she has to struggle with a lot of others camo markers, cheaper than her and probably with templates weapons... Yes, we have a little mobility thanks climbing plus, but in the moment we have to move away in order to not be hited by a direct template that means "orders" and too less damage capacity, our aim reduces drastically so, less impact will be done, so less chance to kill anything.

    The issues I had with the infiltrator option wasn't new ones, are the same old ones when playing Pano, your troupes are point expensive than the enemy ones, so play the "exchange pices" game will do little for the pano player, if you try to avoid the "exchange game" you will loose orders going where you will be "safer", a thing which others don't have to do, plus you will loose the BS advantages because ranges... Best case you still keep it, but probably you will be shooting something with BS negative modifiers, so the target will dodge better than you shoot...

    Don't get me wrong, I love the kind of profiles Uma ist, a true multitool, is something I love from Nagas since my first infinity game, that is what I found interesting of Gunnar plus that extra order, and why I played him, even when I'm really sure he should have a little discount. Uma is right now better point balanced than Gunnar, for example, but.. here is the problem "the but", all what I said before.

    Four games this week with Uma, one with the "non infiltrator" (here she worked really well in last turn, others did the hard work previously, but in a three members fireteam she finished the job... well done Uma), three others with the infiltrator option, she did what she could, but she had all the problems I mentioned before.

    I will keep trying to do something with her, but I haven't too confidence in find a way to avoid the problems I saw this early games.
     
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