Would eclipse on any or all of the smoke throwers be acceptable though is the question. I'm fine with it because JSA has such limited range and DTWs against JSA seem to be an adequate defense.
No. Three out of four of them are already top end contenders for list selection, with Yojimbo basically being auto include already. The only one I would consider putting it on is Kuroshi, she's become significantly less popular with JSA gaining a solid NCO option and buffs to Neko. This should be handed out to less popular units, like certain Aragoto profiles, reworked Shikami, or Mushashi. A JSA only Ninja profile would also be a good place to use it.
The Shilami is already so expensive that giving it Smoke/Eclipse grenades wouldn't break the Sectorial's balance, I don't think anybody would complain.
I believe CB will at the very least keep smoke to the characters, I dont understand but it seems pretty definitive. So I imagine it would be Musashi, if it were to happen, I'd be okay with it but still want him to be a real duelist not just bully-bullied, and yeah, shikami... they deserve a poll with peoples suggestions added as it goes. Maybe tomorrow.
Dude, stop with the polls and go play the game, please. You seem to have these knee-jerk reactions whenever you have an idea that sounds good on paper, but it often comes across as if you haven't even played the game that much. A lot of your complains come across as 'feel bad' reactions after one or two bad games. And look, I don't blame you. Infinity is currently full of 'feel bad' moments that will kill a player's enthusiasm if they happen one time too often (and sometimes they do. I've had a TR bot score 4 crits on a 2 this sunday and it wasn't enjoyable at all.) But really, go play more. I'm not saying there aren't problems with infinity, and I'm definitely not saying you are wrong in trying to improve the game. But as of recently it really looks like you don't play the game at all. NBW as a rule is pretty fine. I do have issues with it being handed to some profiles, but there's no problem with the rule itself in my opinion. And there's not point on making a poll on this stuff. Like, if you think JSA needs more smoke, just go an make a post on the JSA forums about the lack of smoke and people may or may not agree with you. But please, please man, stop with this picket line nonsense.
I'm not saying you remove the smoke from any of them, I'm saying you don't give them eclipse because they already make lists consistently. If you put eclipse on Saito, Yojimbo or Kitsune you're just railroading JSA list building even harder but making them impossible to not include in lists which is bad.
Get the fuck out of my face with your attitude, if you dont like my shit then ignore it, and stfu with this 'you agree with me but you dont agree with me', if you're that confused about how you feel about it then dont talk to me about it, sayin weird/dumb/confusing/insulting shit like "infinity is currently full of feel bad (bad design) moments" but you dont wanna hear me say it. Ignore me then, still wont change the state of the game. And no I dont really think JSA needs more smoke because the game has enough smoke, and the way template are now along order expenditure sequence seems like that's more fundamental than smoke. After that, then we can reassess. But instead you want to jump to conclusions and just say "oh you dont even play", sounds like maybe not as much as you but anything beyond that and your just beating your head against the wall with some baseless shit and weak attacks, thanks but no thanks. But it seems like ever since I asked about Vanguard the other day you've been on some shit and that was on you, not me.
I agree, when I asked earlier it was more like clarify, elaborate, curious what your thoughts were, not that I believed JSA should have more smoke or even eclipse, I think it would probably make them too strong. Which is why I said I could only imagine CB putting it on Musashi. But I'd rather they do more with his WIP for him to move up the board. If they gave him +1B and Damage on his FP, I think I'd prefer that, it would be more unique and flavorful, like he defeated the enemy mentally before he reached CC.
That's it, huh? That's why they keep talking shit, because this is the most you ever do. Remember Wit had shit to say about you a couple of months ago. You're the moderator, and human beings are still animals which means they'll act as badly as you let them, as the mod it's your responsibility to reign that in. Why? Cause it's clear they can't do it on their own.
Hello there, I haven't red all the posts in this thread, but the overall jist seems to be this is a rather controversial topic. I don't intend to reheat any beef that's in here, I just wanted to add my pov from a year in the future. I think in most situations NBW isn't that big of an issue, besides it popping out the earth like mushrooms. But there are some corner cases that bother me. Prime example being Musashi: he's supposed to be THE close combat specialist, and that's all he brings to the table, yeah he has a wip 15 Flashpulse, but that's not why you field a 20+ points Unit. With rules as they are now a cheap digger has good chances in his active turn to just snack him away in CC in his active turn. I propose to change NBW to not effect the Burst-Bonus of MA5. This will not effect balancing that much, if at all, but will make MA5 Units feel much more competent, even against NBW Units.
I think the bigger deal in regard to Musashi is that the person he's based on was famous for unconventional martial combat techniques, to the point where he literally wrote the book on it. Having him getting absolutely dunked on by... unconventional Martial combat techniques isn't just a frustrating indication of the direction if Infinity's growing CC creep and homogenization, it's downright against his character concept.
There should be some change in the interaction of NBW and MA considering the proliferation of NBW on cheap warband units. Maybe have NBW leveled to mirror MA, so you can fine-tune each unit accordingly.