The future of CBs modding system

I'm sorry, but I don't need your permission to express my opinion.

And no, as much as it bothers you, not having the same opinion as you is not trolling.
Trolling is opening multiple threads, that seen together the only thing you say is «All of you have no idea how the game should be, that's what I'm here for, to tell you.»

 

In your literal OP you listed MSV1 as an example, while not breaking out all of the parts of just that skill. Your idea has merit at first blush, but getting into the weeds it breaks down rather badly. The sheer volume of information that would have to be on every single profile would entirely negate any benefit. And the loss of personality and charm simply compounds the issue. Kudos for an attempt, but it’s not hard to see the pros losing to the cons here.

 

This. I get it it, there are some times when it is better to have simple modifiers, but I genuinely preferred "Hyperdynamics" to "Dodge+3", "Kinematika" to "Dodge+1"" and a few others. And I certainly prefer "Natural Born Warrior" to "Immunity: "CC+3, -3, +1 DAM".

Edit: Urgh, should have read page three as well. Shitshow incoming

 

Yes, those were my exact words and the rest of the message why do you ignore it?
Who is trolling? The one who expresses an opinion and says why he has it or the one who manipulates the messages of others to deliberately ignore parts of them with the sole objective of being right.

I'm repeating this in case you didn't get it the first time, if the changes you propose to the game result in me not playing the game, I will not accept those changes nor will I care about any arguments defending them. Not for trolling, nor for any other victim argument you can invent, simply for the selfish interest that I don't want to stop playing (and enjoying) the game.

If you are not able to understand that people can agree with you (completely, a lot or a little) but also that they can disagree with you (a little, a lot or completely) and that this does not mean that they are trolling you; then, again, you reduce your arguments to «I'm right because I'm right and those who don't think like me are wrong» and maybe the trolling is not on the side of this conversation that you think.

 

Regarding the number of threads...

[Sarcastic mode on]
I do understand that it must be a wonderful thing to have had a vision of what the perfect game looks like and that it drives you to come and prophesy the changes that must be made to obtain it.

How hard, lonely and misunderstood must be the life of the prophet who comes to show us the promised perfect rulebook, and the mere players do not understand the wonders that await us with those extraordinary changes that must be made.

I will repent and with a choir of mourners I will say "MEA CVLPA, MEA CVLPA MAXIMA"
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but wait a minute, repenting would mean stopping playing...... I better not do it and keep my special skill: Immunity (Absurd Rule Changes)
[Sarcastic Mode Off]

 

This has escalated faster than Russia's "Military Drills".

 

A few things, first and foremost, red text is only to be used for public moderation messages, so I would appreciate it if nobody else use it.

Secondly this subforum has been created for members of the community to express their ideas and desires on the game system without disrupting the actual rules discussions, discussion on pro and con of the ideas and people liking or not liking the suggestions should be expected.

On the actual discussion one thing I would like to point out is this mimetism -3 allows the theoretical existence of BS attack -3 (one can argue suppressive fire has this modifier) as two thematically separate skills one that is affected by MSV and one that provides BS penalty without involving MSV, making Mimetism -3 a BS attack -3 makes all possible BS attack penalties dependent on MSV, there is without doubt a reason to slim down and streamline a rule set, but there is always a point were this becomes too much of streamlining and affecting the usability of the system, so this should be taken into consideration.

 

Same here, I really liked some of the names for the skills. They were characterful.

 

If you have so many problems with the game... why are you still here? You open a new thread almost daily. It would be easier to make your own game.

 

Personally, I prefer the balance as it is. WiT? actually gives a typical example of something I thought was needlessly difficult: Hyperdynamics and Kinematica. They both improve your dodge, just pick one and add whether it's a +1 or a +3. Or else call them Kinematica and Hyperkinematica, that would have worked too.

But I wouldn't want the names to disappear beyond the work that was done on N4, the theme of Infinity matters very much to me. As a wargamer, we know we play games of numbers, but I think obfuscating that is genuinely a good thing. In fact, I could see beginners bounce harder on lists of modifiers than they would on thematic vocabulary. Same thing in RPGs: I'd rather get a Sword of Law and Order than a Sword +2, even if they're the same thing.

 

Oh I agree most wholeheartedly. I really enjoy the names of the skills and the characterful nature they bring to their bearers. The theme of Infinity is what drew me to it. We’re all essentially playing Ghost in the Shell/Appleseed/Cyberpunk etc. As you’ve stated, as Wargamers, we know we’re playing games of numbers. Obfuscating this fact in whichever manner is pleasing to us can only be a good thing. Otherwise we may as well play with counters. Totally agree with your statement, RPGs too as you noted benefit greatly from this obfuscation.

 

in all fairness you called him a troll first.

 

apply this to yourself

 

I understand you perfectly, that others have their own opinion is hurtful and disrespectful to you.

I'm afraid I can't help you with that.