There's also the ever-present question of how they handle Triads, but if the Pure/Mixed distinction is mainly for Cores then it shouldn't matter too much.
Well I feel a little proud of myself lol. Looks like there will be a difference between a "pure" fireteam and "mixed" fireteam. Mentioned at the 3:40 mark. No idea what the rules will be, but there is a difference between them.
Good guess! However, I shudder to think of a Shang Ji and 4 Jujak core in which no one gains any boni (as SJ are the only ones with Fireteam: Core). Would impressively make multiple Jujak more useless than they already are! Interested to see what they settle on for the mixed links and whether it's accompanied by some tweaks to Sectorial fireteam options.
I'm hoping since they are doing the Fireteam rules changes, that includes who can join and how. Yes it will suck especially for troops that are forced to be mixed as of now and they stay that way. For instance the Celestial LSGL+Kuang Shi, Shang Ji+Jujak, Zhanshi in both IA and WB Zhanshi are AVA4 and MUST be mixed to have a full team.
I like that it could potentially make all those SWC box purchases relevant again. But for sure cores where AVA is limited could potentially not be as viable, unless they accomodate for those where AVA is limited and allow for a fifth member etc.
on surface level at least, i think "counts as" units vs "be part of" and the wildcards are going to become more interesting and viable.
I hope hafza retain the ability to hide in a core pure link as they could in N2. Hafza should "count as" anything that they holoproject as. But everything else (odalisque, sekban, rahman, etc) could be considered mixed fireteam like all the other faction now has. also some units that by name ought to be "count as" (and some were count as in N3) but for simplicity sake were assigned "wildcard : can join" should get "count as" added in addition to their wildcard line. Stuff like Alguacile Vortex Lupe and Securitate DI Jelena and Bagh-Mari Lt Stephen Rao and Fusiliers Indigo Bipandra & Quinn.
Yes, if that rumour turns out to be true, I'd expect a check and revamp of counts as as x vs may join x. I'd also expect special fireteams like the yan huo one to be counted as pure.
I'm worried it won't come with that, and the favoritism for certain factions will remain. Maybe I'm just paranoid though. But I look at how pushed things like the Asawira are and think that the designers who like them aren't going to let them lose their fireteam bonuses. We need a more coherent philosophy of fireteams and thought as to what they're bringing for their faction, and trying to advertise minis as being wildcards in Bostria's videos has been a frustrating thing to watch.
The rules better be good, or I'm pretty sure Infinity will run into PP-level catastrophe. If the most loyal players start to complain about their own game, it does mean there's some serious problem in the game :(
Don't be ridiculous, there's lots of ways to obviate most AROs, many which don't even require set up from an external order, and we're not talking about "lots of AROs", we're talking about one specific ARO that was never really designed to obviate counters to it yet is present in almost all lists. A more obvious solution is to learn to deal with it instead.
I believe it's already been pointed out that Core Fireteams (who get bonuses for 5 models) could potentially be at a disadvantage if their AVA is only 4 (Lasiqs, Zanshi, Ghulam, Nisses) unless something is written into the new ruleset to accomodate for this. However, from a buyer perspective, I wonder how this new Fireteam change will affect some of the recent and upcoming SWC box contents. For example, the Shang Ji and Orcs, 3 in a box and a tinbot, but AVA 5. Ok so the Orcs also get Patsi who's a special char and 2 more Orcs across two army packs. Then there's the Jujak's, 1 in the army pack, then 2 in the box plus Special char and tinbot. Technically not their full AVA 4 as the Special character can be on her own. Jayth get only 2 in a box plus remote for AVA 4, plus the third and Sargosh in yet different boxes. Going this route looks great when you consider all the Wildcards that people put into their fireteams, making an excess of models really unnecessary. But now with this possible change, if they truly bust out some great true-core Fireteam rules - it's going to be awkwardly pricey to grab that extra model each time (or run duplicates). I think true-core all the same model Fireteams will be a great way to make use of all the SWC box contents we have and I'm all for this. But I'm curious on others thoughts please.
If you have to run unmixed fireteams to get the full bonuses, the Regular Sapper just got promoted to "uniquely good ARO piece."
In all liklihood the difference between wildcard/mixed teams and mono/counts as teams will be this: Inherently a mixed team has a wider variety of tools but still not as wide as Vanilla and originally fireteams were given their bonuses to compete in the power level to which, it kind of balances... A monoteam in this era would need a wider selection of tools, and that is likely what CB has in store for them.
Still assuming "count as" Fireteams are included in the full bonus camp. In contrast to Wildcards and "can join X" Fireteams. Probably needs some reclassifications though. Krit not being a Zuyong and Patsy not being an Orc comes to mind.
I would love if we go back to good old days when fireteams core and haris were only the same trooper only with a few minor exceptions. I don't know if they will go back to that but that missile launcher fusilier could finaly see some action again as a cheap ARO.
Absent other adjustments, a much more likely outcome would be that the Varuna or Sval player wouldn't use a fireteam for long-range AROs at all. Sectorials that don't currently have good wildcard AROs aren't using line trooper AROs instead. E.g. when did you last see a Ghulam missile launcher...
