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Yu Jing ITS Season 13

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Sep 30, 2021.

  1. archon

    archon Well-Known Member

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    So that was the good things about Its 13, let's move to the bad part: Aside from MBH in ISS and Vanilla, last time I checked Yu Jing has no bikes! And no, Su Jian is not a bike.
     
  2. Chaserabinov

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    Another round of complaining on the circumstances we lost access to (among other things) the Aragato bikes in 3... 2... 1...
    :-P
     
  3. Willen

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    I am assuming we are ALL getting acess to the MBH, regardless of faction/sectorial. I am thinking about my Invincible Army converted Zhanshi on bike!
     
  4. ldgif

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    Not true. There are a few missions with the special rule, but it is not a constant.
     
  5. Robock

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    i thought it did not stack as Antartica makes the whole table Terrain Mountain and Blizzard makes a circular zone as Terrain Mountain...

    But i think they could potentially stack. Bran Do has Climbing plus and Multiterrain. He can get +1" MOV from ITS13 rule "Antartica" on the account that he has Climbing Plus, then when he's in a blizzard he can get +1" MOV from the N4 skill "Terrain" if he picked Mountain as his multiterrain choice.

    Also Blizzard just serve to put terrain zone by players, but the table could also have, natively, some terrain pieces on it. If a table had Jungle terrain, and Bran Do picked Jungle as his terrain type, would he get +1" MOV (when in the Jungle) on top of ITS13 +1" to anyone having Climbing Plus ? I suppose he would.

    As we are in YJ forum, I suppose i can find example from YJ: SuJian, Zhencha, and Ninjas have Climb+ and Multiterrain.
    Wolfgang has Climb+ and Zero-G so the question could be asked if he was on a table that had a naturally occurring Zero-g room.

    If Antartica was written such that it was giving the +1 on account of the table being Mountain, giving it to Terrain Mountain and Terrain Total that chose Mountain; for sure it would not stack. It is just a repeating of the Terrain rule effect, combined with the fact the whole table is Mountain. But as it also gives it to Climber and to multiterrain with no restriction of picking mountain... then I think the question can be asked and it might stack, at least for units with climb+.
     
  6. Delta57Dash

    Delta57Dash Well-Known Member

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    Apparently, according to army, EVERY Vanilla faction has access to AVA 1 MBH.

    Including Tohaa and Combined.

    So it does appear that at least every Vanilla faction will have access. Not sure if it'll last past this season though.
     
  7. ldgif

    ldgif Well-Known Member
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    Yeah Vanillas and Sectorials with ABH got MBH.
     
  8. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Bakunin's best Morlock trainer
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    Common misconception here. A trooper with Terrain (Total) doesn't choose, it has "mastered" all terrain types
     
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    Delta57Dash Well-Known Member

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    Combined and Tohaa don't have ABH though.

    That's why I'm unsure as to whether they intentionally gave them MBH to help them out this ITS (because neither faction has access to Motorcycles otherwise) or if it's CB's typical tendency to forget that Combined Army and Tohaa count as Vanilla factions.
     
  10. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    This is one of the smaller N3>N4 changes, many people just haven't noticed.
     
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  11. ldgif

    ldgif Well-Known Member
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    Vanilla Factions got MBH AND Sectorials with ABH access got them. I didn’t mean Vanilla with ABH whoops.
     
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  12. Space Ranger

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    What? I didn't see that before! That can make for some fantastic conversions for a CA bike!
     
  13. Weathercock

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    I do hope that's just a stopgap, and a more legitimate bike is developed for those factions.

    Although CA really doesn't need more stuff.
     
  14. Willen

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    Not talking about it being specific missions, and yes faction-wide access. If only armies with current AVA of bikes would get a free bike at missions with Bike Recon rules, this would be a hard ITS (and very stupid). Tournaments where such missions are included will edge out sectorials and sectorials are... 75% of the available "factions" you can play? More?
     
  15. archon

    archon Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I never complained about this, because I started collecting JSA after the uprising. But I realy wondered why YJ not got a bike unit after that (we got a Shikami replacement for example). Okay Pan O started late on bikes. Otherwise I think only the Aliens have no bikes.
     
  16. Amusedbymuse

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    All the bikers are mimetic in ITS 13, the same rule that lets them choose to retain Imp or not also gives all bikes Mimetism -3. Keeping cover on top of that is gonna be huge on everything, even Kums.
     
  17. Mahtamori

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    I think it's a bit of a Bravery situation again. They're adding a bit too much, and distributing it unevenly. I suspect that playing with a bit more strict doorway rules is not unreasonable, plus if I read the ITS rules tidbit correctly the mimetism only applies to the mounted unit and not the dismounted.
     
  18. Triumph

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    Less problematic than bravery at least, it's buffing fewer units and I don't have to worry about entire core links deploying at the halfway line on some tables when I'm setting them up.
     
  19. Mahtamori

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    Agreed, but at the same time Dynamos were excellent units well worth their points and DZ footprint even without cover, and I can tell from first hand experience that Carmen is a very good unit as is.

    This is coming from a player who generally speaking see motorcycles as free kills. I love it when my opponent's wastes unit slots on motorcycles and gets to deploy the big oversized footprint and then try to do something useful with it. So in general I think some of these changes are good (specifically that maybe not all motorcycles should be impetuous and maybe motorcycles shouldn't deny cover), but taken together with adding mimetism to a range of units that didn't have them and not adding anything to units that did and that weren't on the good side of the fence is why I think the changes are going to be more disruptive than welcome.
    I do think that Aragoto and Montessa will deservedly benefit from this, but I do worry a bit at what it'll do to stuff like Suleyka who was kept in check precisely because the lack lustre shooting capabilities made her difficult to deliver onto the target.

    And no, I don't care that Yu Jing doesn't have any bikes. I still think this is not a critical device that needs be in all factions, but rather an aesthetic device that brings character to the factions that has them and interesting play that can be used to set a faction apart from the others.

    It's not at all on the localised compression zones which I found to be tactically electrifying. If they could be placed on the table, which was the real issue.
     
  20. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I think it's closer to the TacAw buff on TAGs through ITS last edition, some TAGs were already good and didn't need it at all to see the table. Meanwhile others like the Guijia were starving for any buff they could get.

    That's what we get though when CB are being lazy and just blanket buffing things instead of just fixing shit that's broken.
     
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