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ITS 13 and Biker Bounty Hunter AVA

Discussion in 'ITS' started by Triumph, Oct 1, 2021.

  1. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Pretty quick question, does the free MBH count against the normal AVA1 for Vanilla factions?

    I'd wait for the document but @HellLois I got people trying to figure out how many they need to order and we're trying to get shit done ASAP before the distributor runs short with every asshat out there trying to get at least one.
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    As per the video the full rules are out next week on the 5th.
     
  3. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I know, but like I said I'm trying to get the right amount ordered ASAP before the distributor runs out and we're stuck waiting forever to get more shipped across the world.

    Literally the whole playerbase in the country is waking up right now probably trying to order one.
     
  4. ldgif

    ldgif Well-Known Member
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    It is completely free no strings attached in relevant missions.
     
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  5. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    EDITED

    Its free and dont counts for AVA.
     
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  6. Lucian

    Lucian Catgirl Nation

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    Wait, so if army does not have MBH at all it cannot use that free one?
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Stoneman95

    Stoneman95 Well-Known Member
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    Yes, please dont make it dependant on AVA, it just makes it much more complicate than it has to be.
     
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  8. Wormy

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    Forget complicated, it seems patently unfair that some factions would get a free unit that doesn't even take up a list slot, while otheres get nothing. And I say that as a OSS player, who get the freebie.
     
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  9. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    And then there's Tohaa that get the MBH because CB can't write their own rules :D
     
  10. Robock

    Robock Well-Known Member

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    agreed, i play QK this year and was planning on playing it even though ITS13 does not benefit them as much as it benefits other factions, but now to not be allowed to have a free MBH in these missions that have bike recon because it would count against my AVA0 is patently unfair.
    On the other hand, i can understand if generic armies can't pay for an MBH on top of the free one received. So i hope it is more a matter of count against AVA when there is AVA. We'll see in the pdf.
     
  11. nazroth

    nazroth 'well known Nomad agitator'

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    Hey bro, what do you mean by that?
    - Only factions that have AVA can field one?
    - Everyone can field one, regardless if they had one available but if you have natural AVA then if you field one it will take up your AVA slot?
     
  12. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    So it's free (0 pts, 0 SWC), but counts for AVA, costing you 1.

    Since there's no additional indication that MBH AVA 0 factions still can take it, we infer from the rest of the regular rules that you cannot take an free MBH with an AVA 0 faction, because you cannot "count it for AVA" then and end up with AVA -1.

    If the rule intent is "a free MBH for every faction", the rule should say something to the effect of "it counts for AVA if faction has any MBH AVA".

    Very sloppy.
     
  13. ldgif

    ldgif Well-Known Member
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    How would this work with a List that has already used their full AVA on MBHs? Would they just not get a MBH for free?
     
  14. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Yeah, it seems a lot more like a free 16th slot for a points/SWC free MBH, but you gotta have the AVA to count it against.
     
  15. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    so no Tohaa bike conversion? :fearful::scream::sweat::sob::sob::sob::sob:
     
  16. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Last I checked Tohaa, of all factions, do have AVA 1 on MBH :D

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    Ok, so if I already took an MBH as part of my army list do I just... not get the free one? What about if I'm playing something like Spiral Corps, which is AVA 0 for MBH? Are factions with AVA 0 for MBH just not allowed to play those missions, because as soon as the free one is added the list is illegal due to exceeding their AVA?

    This ruling makes no sense.
     
  18. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    NICE! That's what i get for not checking the update on Army.
     
  19. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Do they ever put these things out to the community? It seems like every time there's some confusion or mistake.
     
  20. Lawson

    Lawson Well-Known Member

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    In addition to how this will be available for the various factions AVA (which might be changed by the time ITS 13 actually drops), there's a question of how list-building would even work if the MBH is scenario-dependent. Are you just making lists that are over-costed by 8-15 points in the Army Builder and still able to get the ITS mark of quality (TM)? The list builder doesn't necessarily know what scenario you're playing so it can't on its own decide if the MBH costs 0 or not.
     
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