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  1. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    She can, those are wide gates! The thing about Guijia is that it's very susceptible to e/marat's and hacking attacks, but it will grant you a lot of points AND the essential personnel bonus. Problem is, you pretty much have to get hackers to cover her. Another issue is the fact that all this good midfield stuff WhiteCo is known for is pretty useless on that mission so you have to opt for a sturdier list instead. Should I just spam an orc/jujak/haidao fireteam?
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Well, WC has it's own e/marats too with Karhu. Also MSV Blitzens.
     
  3. theresponsibleone

    theresponsibleone Active Member

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    My gut feel is that the two Hackers is probably overkill and to just go with one. I’d be tempted by either a Kaplan Doctor so you don’t lose the ability to reform the Fireteam if one model dies, or Shona or Liang Kai because you know you’ll be getting up close towards the end.
     
  4. Surmelk

    Surmelk Well-Known Member

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    For Anti steel phalanx i would go even harder on hacking + repeaters and pitchers. Valyria is not enough alone. Establish a repeater/hacker network in the middle already in the deployment phase, So guilangs, peacemakers maybe nøkk. And 1-2 hackers in backline.

    For panic room my MVP has been :
    - guilangs (spreading the repeaters and moving into the room in camo state)
    - varangian smoking in the room
    - a good attack harris for moving towards the room

    I would be very afraid of putting my Guijia into the room unless its turn 3.
     
  5. Surmelk

    Surmelk Well-Known Member

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    Hope to see you in Stockholm open !

    Onto lists:

    Decap/front:
    - Love tigers, but unshure about the hacker profile here unless you have a spesific plan. You dont need specialist for missions so i would take the normal one
    - guilangs are boss in these missions, where you can hide in camo in deploy in zones. I would fill up the AVA2
    - always make room for a fusilier paramedic in your core-team. Paramedic are super good in N4 fireteams and outshine doctors these days
    - i would try to find spot for one of the best hackers in game. valyria. She is also wildcard and can go into your fireteams
    - Really unshure about the evo hacker, but it can buff the rems and support the drop i guess.
    - i am missing a more high burst gun in linkteams

    unmask list:
    - looks good for a TAG list
    - with a TAG i usually prefere a engineer with bots for good coverage.
     
  6. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    When I play steel phalanx, these are some of the things that I worry about the most:

    Fast, high BS, high burst, msv2. Buffed Rui shi, Aquila guard, Hsien, and Marut are at the top of the list. High BS is important because I have access to eclipse. Countering BS12-13 with by burst two on 16s isn’t too bad. Countering bs 15 is significantly less likely.

    Cheap models with berserk or close combat specialists with NBW. They will clean up 90% of the models that I have in close combat, and mine are expensive.

    Armored targets that are strong in CC. Steel phalanx doesn’t have a lot of armor cracking weapons. The new Achilles, Hippolyta, Phoenix, and an occasional smg or boarding shotgun are really it. Atalanta can, but usually high armor targets have multiple wounds and are tough to lock down with her. Until Teucer gets an update, he’s more expensive than I’d like for what he brings. So, if you have a Knight or something else with high cc that is resistant to combi fire, it will be largely a crapshoot to take out in CC.

    Long ranged, linked aros with modifiers or msv. Either way, steel phalanx doesn’t have core linked hmgs to push through, so it will take extra orders throwing smoke or eclipse to close the distance. If the thing shooting back is a linked orc or haidao, it will be tough to actually remove from the table.

    I hope that helps!
     
  7. Kanaj

    Kanaj New Member

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    Hello,

    A few games later, here is my current White Company list. Why do you think about it ?

    - Full defensive team (Fusilier + Valerya + HaiDao sniper), varangian for smokes
    - Total reaction remote for zone defense
    - Bulleteer and Shona for attack
    - Guilang and Tiger soldier hacker for objectives
    - Peacemaker and guiland for mid map control
    - Good repetiters cover
    - Bad lieutenant hiding :/

    WC6 : Fireteam Valerya
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 18)
    HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
    VALERYA GROMOZ (Hacker) Combi Rifle, Zapper, Pitcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 21)
    SHONA CARANO Submachine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
    BULLETEER Spitfire / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 23)
    TIGER SOLDIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4)
    SIERRA DRONBOT Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 24)
    MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    YÁOZĂO PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    MULEBOT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  8. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    @Kanaj
    I would consider including some more accurate hmgs into this list since you only got a Spitfire and a Fusilier HMG (he is a competent shot, but we have higher-BS gun platforms). Tiger Hacker I find being more trouble than his worth since the enemy dz or midfield may be swarmed with enemy hackers and when you drop him you want things dead, not hacked, at least in my mind. Changing him to a Paramedic is what I would have done.

    Surprisingly well put-together list considering it has an EVO hacker. And that EVO hacker can both buff the Tiger and Drones whenever you need!

    But yeah, I'd downgrade Tiger to a Paramedic and instead make Guilang into a Minelayer or Hacker.
     
  9. Kanaj

    Kanaj New Member

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    Thank you fore your help !
    What are the good HMG / spitfire carriers in the company for you ?

    For the tiger soldier hacker you're right currently it's hard for me to use it successfully, but i want to keep trying !
    I was thinking giving him the spitfire (from the bulleteer) but your switch with the guilang is also a good idea.
     
  10. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    The usual suspects: Orc, Jujak, and, to a lesser extent, Kaplan (same BS as Fusilier, but she has Mimetism -3 which is an undeniable plus). My issue with Kaplan Spitfire is the fact that we can use Hawkwood Red Fury in their link team. Jujak is good when going up the midfield thanks to Heavy Flamethrower, and Orc is just plain good at brute-forcing his way out of the DZ when in a Core.

    Tiger Spitfire I've been using on two games in a row and in both cases, he has proven to be an absolute killer on Turn 3. But I never had to utilize his Mimetism since he was just unloading into the enemies' backs without any AROs.

    Just keep in mind that while we do have a good array of HMGs and Spitfires and the like, there are very few armor-piercing high-burst guns in WhiteCo, Guijia being the only guy able to dish out 4 dice with AP.

    If you want at least 3 dice beyond 16" with armor-piercing capabilities – our options are pretty thin on the ground. There are linked alternatives like Kaplan MSR with 2 CSUs, a pretty cheap long-range Haris, but as far as the unlinked options are concerned – here they are.


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    GŪIJIĂ (Lieutenant) MULTI Heavy Machine Gun, Heavy Flamethrower / DA CC Weapon. (2 | 82)
    [​IMG] GŪIJIĂ PILOT Submachine Gun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
    KARHU Feuerbach(+1B), AP Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 35)
    HAWKWOOD K1 Marksman Rifle, Nanopulser(+1B) / MULTI Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 41)

    3.5 SWC | 158 Points

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  11. Pander22

    Pander22 Well-Known Member

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    One thing that always makes me nervous is no khd camo troops, the nokken seems like a fine platform but ive been spoiled by zeros in nomads and forco, can always mix a link but i normally have valerya in the link,

    how specifically have hacking interactions been happening with your lists when you play?

    I think wc can have almost nomad level repeater coverage and a danavas is a pretty scary unit on its own but nokks seem just a little too expensive, but again maybe ive been spoiled by nomad choices,
     
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    Pander22 Well-Known Member

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    This is something ive been working on to force me to try and move away from core links and try something new,

    Orc Harris as BS 14 burst 5 is always handy to have,

    Varangian and Haidao walk up the sides of the field once there maybe on turn two the varangian can use his impetuous order to throw smoke for him to save an order,

    Killer hacker Haidao and Jujack take the midfield


    Guilangs to do camo things then my Karhu team seems pretty flexible in pushing buttons or shooting things

    And if that doesn't work you can form a 5 man core in the main pool if you really need something super dead


    And Make it Double
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]1
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    ORC (Lieutenant) Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 37)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain-colt(+1B), Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
    HǍIDÀO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    JUJAK Breaker Combi Rifle, Heavy Flamethrower ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30)
    KARHU (Engineer, Deactivator) MULTI Rifle, Blitzen, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29)
    KARHU Feuerbach(+1B), AP Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 35)
    DANAVAS (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus [UPGRADE: Oblivion (+1B)]) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  13. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    That looks pretty solid! The only thing that raises an eyebrow for me personally is there is one Karhu too many. You only have one Lt. order to use so I rarely include more than one Karhu in a list. There is also the fact that you have a Kaplan Engineer who is not much different from Karhu (Mimetism and anti-HI weapon, ADHL instead of Blitzen) except he pushes buttons 10% better and is 2 points cheaper. The Feuerbach Karhu is always a solid choice! (When are we gonna get the dang sculpts!)
     
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    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    I tend to not include the KHD options at all since in our meta, it seems that I am more likely to bump into an HI than a KHD. The repeater network that WC can set up with two Guilang Minelayers (I never leave home without at least one) and two Peacemakers are quite a scary sight, but in my experience, Danavas and Valerya are enough to overcome anything without Stealth. It's important to bring in at least two hackers because if you only bring one - an active-turn Trinity can ruin your day. Surprisingly, a combo of Fusilier Hacker plus Danavas Hacker seems to work well since the opponent will usually try focusing on the guy with the higher WIP and just ignore the WIP 12 hacker but that's still a 60% chance to catch an unopposed Carbonite/Oblivion in your face. If you otherwise need to include a KHD, Haidao is a no-brainer choice, better than Nokken IMO because Nokken can be hacked into right away on Turn 1 without even having to use a repeater while Haidao is located way down in your DZ and has NWI. Nokken are just too vulnerable to my liking, even if they are pretty good at gunfighting with their Mimetism and BS 12. A single template weapon or a speculative attack can ruin their day if you're going second, although it should be noted that they are a decent candidate for CT suppression fire. So if I want to bring in a Nokken I would rather bring a Minelayer profile as a throwaway defensive piece.
     
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    I took double karhu a because I really like climbing plus haha, lots of heavy infantry in my meta so i was thinking hiding them up buildings often to protect them plus it just seems really cool scaling buildings in a heavy terrain game

    Thats a good point on hacking aswell my meta is pretty heavy and if i cant kill it with a hacking device ill just kill it with all the other tools i have at my disposal!
     
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    Pander22 Well-Known Member

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    I like the tiger soldier list more as you have a few more options to box your way out of a deployment zone if you need to,
    I haven't put hawk in any of my lists yet as im never 100% about him, although K1 is probably worth the cost alone these days? have you tried him out yet?
     
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    Dumbledoge New Member

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    No not yet. I feel like he's the center piece to tear TAGs down if I can't get any isolations in. Even if the fuerbach can do the trick as well having both an ARO piece and offensive against heavy armor is best to throw off any potential threats
     
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    Oathwood Guns for Hire

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    Is see many Shonas being put in lists. Look at Liang Kai. He is a cheaper alternative that just does everything better than her.
     
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    Amusedbymuse Well-Known Member

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    Not everything. Liang is Dam 16 Exp in CC. Shona is Dam 18 AP+Exp. Way better against AC2, especially now when it has ADS.
     
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