Kiel-Saan Special Tri

That's a tough one as wording isn't perfect.
Actually it is plural for Kiel-Saans and Draals as well. This leads me to the assumption this is a Fireteam Triad as any other Fireteam Triad but only those 3 members can be part of it. 0-3 of each.
So your Link would be totally fine.

 

That's how I read it too.

 

This is actually quite nice. You are saving a bunch of points with double Kaauri... But they mover slower than the Kiel-Saan, bear that in mind.

 

A guy at my FLGS just told me that, in Spanish, Kaauri are in singular and Draal are in plural... This opens up some debate.

I know that, since N3, CB has put more effort on English rules and they’ve become the de facto source of truth when there’s translation issues in rules.

I’ll stick to the English wording anyway since I use all the apps in English rather than in Spanish, but some clarification’d be nice.

 

Like written above you can use 0-3 of any of those 3 units. To a max of 3 in the same triad. Any combination is okay. They got the skill special fireteam triad and than they can use it like a normal triad skill with the restriction that the pool is only those 3 different units.
You could also call it Fireteam Triad B instead of the normal Fireteam Triad A.

 

Has this question been resolved by now? There's still no clarity about what composition is legal or not, as far as I'm concerned.

Anyone got some CB rulings?

 

You need at least 1 Kiel Saan no matter what.
Even tho the wording says:
"Special Fireteam: Triad. Only Kiel-Saans FTO, Draal Saboteurs FTO and Kaauri Paramedics"

The only profile that has "Special Fireteam: Triad" is the Kiel-Saan itself. So it's not 0-3 of everything.
Its 1-3 Kiel-Saans, 0-2 Draal Saboteur FTO, 0-2 Kaauri Paramedics, so:

3 Kiel-Saans
2 Kiel-Saans + 1 Kaauri Paramedic
2 Kiel-Saans + 1 Draal Saboteur FTO
1 Kiel-Saan + 2 Draal Saboteur FTO
1 Kiel-Saan + 2 Kaauri Paramedic
1 Kiel-Saan + 1 Draal Saboteur FTO + 1 Kaauri Paramedic

Those are the only possible combinations.

As a side note, remember only the Draal SMG, Pulzar, D-Charges and without Dazer has the FTO.

 

The rules are kinda messy written here. If you go pure Raw from the Triad rule then only the troopers with Special triad can form the team. If you go less Raw then you require Triad skill but then still the Kauri Paramedics lack it, so would be illegal to have them in the link... So you kinda need to be openmidned to even consider the link with kauris to make any sence. It Kinda depends on what was the intention with the link. It is entirely possible that links without Kiel-Saans are supposed to be legal .

Official statement would be good on this @HellLois ?

 

There is no "messy writing" in this case.
In order to form a Fireteam, one of the members of said firetem requires the Fireteam skill, in this case, given it's a "Special Fireteam: Triad" they need that skill.
From the three different troops, only Kiel-Saan have the "Special Fireteam: Triad" rule in their profiles, and it's precisely in their profiles where it's specified that the "Special Fireteam: Triad" involves Kiel-Saans FTO, Draal Saboteur FTOs and Kaauri Paramedics.

However, you still need one troop with the "Special Fireteam: Triad" rule to be able to form that "Special Fireteam: Triad", and, in this particular case, that profile is the Kiel-Saan.

 

That's not quite accurate. The Fireteam: Triad skill has an extra requirement "► Troopers possessing this Special Skill can only form a Fireteam: Triad with other Troopers possessing this same Special Skill." THat would override the normal only need one with the skill like you have with Haris.

 

Right, but we are not talking about a Fireteam: Triad, but a Special Fireteam: Triad, two different things.

 

There is no rules for Fireteam Special:Triad. The closest to follow is Fireteam: Triad (which brings the problems listed above). There is no rules for generic fireteam (only specific cases) so indeed it is mess in this case. I have no clue which rule you are trying to follow which says you need one troop with fireteam skill + link team listed in sectorial chart. Can you please specify which rules are you following to get your "rulling"?

 

The point was to note that there is no Special Fireteam Triad skill. There are no rules defining Special Fireteams as anything different than a list of units that can override unit restrictions of the appropriate normal fireteams. (hence allowing Kauuri FTOs in despite them not having the Triad Skill).

Army notes about special fireteams are notes only and you will notice are not actually included in the specific Profile section, but offset from it. To further back that up, the fireteam in question on the Special Fireteam chart for Spiral Corps is actually under Kauuri Sentinels and not Keil-saan.

 

I might add the following:

This rule makes special Triads possible as we can see with the Kriigel and Reex special Triad.
The Kiel-Saan's Special Triad skill apparently exists so that it can be part of exactly this special fireteam but no other Triad construct.

 

Indeed thats the point the Fireteam Special: Triad skill is there for them to be able to form fireteams. The Special part is limiting the use of the generic Fireteam: Triad skill.

There is nowhere explicitly written that he has to be part of the Special Link to be legit. So indeed it kinda depends how the link was intended.

Personaly would expect the sectorial chart to say atleast 1 Kiel-Saan FTO + Dralls FTOs and Kauri Paramediks, if the one Kiel-Saan was required, but official statement would be great here.

Right now there is no rule or note which would require you to have Kiel-Saan present in this Special Fireteam: Triad.

 

And don't forget Aelis Keesan, she's a Wildcard with the Triad skill. Thus she's even allowed to form the special triad with two Kaauri (or the two Reex).

 

To create this Fireteam you need one Kiel Saan, because it is the only profile that has "Special Fireteam: Triad". So the options are:
Its 1-3 Kiel-Saans, 0-2 Draal Saboteur FTO, 0-2 Kaauri Paramedics