1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Petition: Pronunciation Video

Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by Cannon Fodder, Jul 15, 2021.

  1. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    1,329
    No, just highlighting his hypocrisy. #notalleurosaretrash
     
  2. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    1,082
    Likes Received:
    2,460
    In that case remember the saying that when you argue with an idiot, it's hard to tell from the sidelines who the idiot actually is.
     
  3. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,888
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    I am really not sure why the tread went to the direction it went and I am not sure why I need to say that posters need to be respectful to other posters...

    Now please revert is a normal discussion without insulting other posters...
     
    prophet of doom likes this.
  4. prophet of doom

    prophet of doom Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2017
    Messages:
    486
    Likes Received:
    438

    no, I have not written that all Anglos are racists. I have written that they have little understanding and respect for other languages. I can tell my anglo friends how certain units are being pronounced several times and they will pretty much always ignore it and keep using the wrong pronounciation. They have never properly learned another language and I guess thus never understood that words in other languages are not pronounced as in English and that to be respectful of that language, you have to twist your tongue a bit. I wouldn't play with people who are openly racist.
     
    Mahtamori and chromedog like this.
  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,018
    Likes Received:
    15,302
    Second that, though I wouldn't put it down to disrespect so much as never having had the opportunity to learn another language which makes it difficult to adopt new sounds (or bend their minds around that some letters are pronounced differently in other language... such as the letter "j" that anglophone-only people tend to have problems with)
     
    #25 Mahtamori, Jul 30, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2021
    prophet of doom and chromedog like this.
  6. chromedog

    chromedog Less than significant minion

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,364
    Likes Received:
    2,642
    Let alone the X and Q letters.
     
    Mahtamori likes this.
  7. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,888
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    There are many linguistic reasons why a particular language group, especially a newer one, cannot properly pronounce older language groups and none of them are rooted in disrespect or lack of understanding.

    Once can assume such reasons, but 99% of the time they would be wrong, I honestly do not know why would one assume it though.
     
  8. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    1,329
    One would assume it only if one were a racist with an unjustified sense of cultural and linguistic superiority like @prophet of doom above.
     
  9. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,888
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    I think it has more to do with linguistics been a niche field of research and language been given for granted, especially for speakers of old language groups such as those rooted in Latin who can speak better and easier newer languages such as English than English can speak those languages.

    While one can easily assume one can speak any language if they try, this is not true and there is a severe penalty for people of newer language groups to speak languages older than their language group (linguistic root pays a role too).
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,018
    Likes Received:
    15,302
    Hah! See, come from a big language with History and you make all sorts of assumptions about other languages. This isn't unique to English speakers, honestly, and it's not really fair to call English a "young" language as it has roots in all sorts of European languages and certainly has a colourful history more so than most languages, not least thanks to William the Conqueror, but also Norse invaders leaving a literal window into other language groups.

    As a small bit of curiosa, I've seen people who speak many languages claim that after the 5th language spoken fluently, learning languages gets much easier as they start helping you learn new languages due to similarities rather than getting in the way due to disparities.
     
    Barrogh likes this.
  11. Ashtaroth

    Ashtaroth Aragoto GP Organizer
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2019
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    313
    That's only true if you keep in the same branch of languages. Example: you learn french, then go spanish, italian and finally portuguese. By the time you reach the last language you will have the fundamentals of latin grammar, pronunciation and regular use. But if suddenly you go to a slavic language, like ukranian, or uralic language like estonian, none of that applies, then you go to indo-asian languages, like mandarin, then it's a whole new game again. Go for some arabic next? Well, at this point you're probably on the crisis of: what are words? what is verb?

    It's very interesting and doable tho. But the easiness is only true as long as you remain in the main branch.
     
  12. chromedog

    chromedog Less than significant minion

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,364
    Likes Received:
    2,642
    If you get to Hungarian, all of that goes ... straight out the ablak. (Learned it as a kid, some remnants have stuck around ... It's an agglutinative language, so it attracts prefices and suffices like **** attracts flies and is one of the hardest languages (that still uses the latin alphabet (plus extras) for a native English speaker to learn.) :D
     
    burlesford and Dragonstriker like this.
  13. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    12,018
    Likes Received:
    15,302
    The point wasn't that you'd automatically be able to learn any given language, but that being fluent in enough languages would help you learn the language logic and pronunciations a lot quicker, reducing the time to pick up new languages. So "what even is Arabic verb" is an answer that'll take you fewer hours with a full library of Latin rooted languages than if all you spoke was Spanish

    "Most people don't get past 5 languages" is a fairly safe claim to make, so most people will struggle to pick up a new language :)

    Tolkien was a big fan. Built Tengwar out of Hungarian/Finnish grammar inspiration with a healthy dose of Spanish vocabulary. One of my bosses has a Peruvian wife and managed to decipher my screen name thanks to a combination of Spanish knowledge and Swedish tendency to take two words and mash them together. It took me more time bending Maht and understanding what side of Mori it was meant to go on with the extended dictionary in front of me, than it took him figuring it out with a cup of coffee in front of him.
    (Orcish is meant to be pronounced as if it was Swedish, btw, which is hilarious considering the history between Sweden and Finland and what Orcs and Elves are)
     
    Barrogh, chromedog and RolandTHTG like this.
  14. chromedog

    chromedog Less than significant minion

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,364
    Likes Received:
    2,642
    I've known a handful of people who spoke 5 languages or more. I barely speak English. I understand and can speak a bit of Polish, Hungarian and Dutch - and some barely remembered Auslan, which I 'speak' really slowly (so slowly, that the deaf kids in my high school that I used to use it with called me " the hick" because I "spoke" so slowly.) Not enough to qualify as fluent in any of them.
    Two were Finns (co-workers), one was my Dad (Who spoke Dutch, Hungarian, Russian, German and Czech. That particular mix came from his parentage and where he grew up. ).
    The other one was Russian another co-worker at a different job.

    The Finns were the only people in the warehouse who could carry on conversations in 5 languages at the same time and keep things straight. They spoke Russian to the Russians, German to the Germans, Swedish to the Swedes, Finnish to each other if they wanted it to be a private conversation and better English than many of my native-speaking co-workers.
     
    #34 chromedog, Jul 30, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2021
  15. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,062
    Likes Received:
    1,791
    Curiously enough, one of two people I know who speak 5 languages currently lives in Finland.
    It sort of makes sense, if you think about it :D

    On the topic of respecting a language by using correct pronunciation... I'm not sure if one guy correcting others on how to pronounce "Rafiq" during an already time-consuming game of toy soldiers is him being respectful towards Arabic or disrespectful towards his parthers and their time, especially when neither guy in question nor his partners are Arabic-speaking, and I bet all of them will get it wrong half the time anyway. Or maybe it's just him being a smartass.

    But most likely it's none of that, and we're just looking at a socialisation attempt. Otherwise, it's expected that people will use convenient phonemes, especially among people who share their own language.
     
  16. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2019
    Messages:
    2,213
    Likes Received:
    3,456
    My understanding is that the correct pronunciation of "Rafiq" is "sensor bot."
     
  17. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,888
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    Keeping the language in the same language root is quite helpful as words and structure remain similar or the same, on the other hand branching our to other language groups helps train the sound generation different languages use.

    I am not sure at what point of multi language one gets to learn languages easier.
     
    Dragonstriker likes this.
  18. tox

    tox SorriBarai
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    3,560
    Likes Received:
    3,542
    When you cannot longer form a though in a sigle language...
     
  19. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    3,394
    Likes Received:
    4,104
    I'm fortunate my kids and wife are able to understand me when my own brain can't keep things straight and I end up just blurting things out in a mishmash of languages...
     
    Dragonstriker and Abrilete like this.
  20. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    5,888
    Likes Received:
    11,261
    That happens a lot to me, but I do not satisfy, to my demands at least, knowledge of a lot of languages...

    I really need to do better.
     
  • About Us

    We are a company founded in 2001 in Cangas (Spain), and devoted to design and manufacture games and figures. Our main product, Infinity the Game, was born with the ambition to satisfy the most demanding audience, offering the best quality.

     

    Why are we here?

     

    Because we are, first and foremost, players.

  • Quick Navigation

    Open the Quick Navigation