@ijw so I was wrong? Template attack creates a “valid ARO” and this can be used to satisfy Reset requirements?
Then again he talks about how valid ARO and skill requirements are a different thing, which they aren’t in this case. Or perhaps they are, meaning that RAI template attack can’t be used to satisfy Reset requirements? It wasn’t the clear answer I was looking for.
Why would they not be? edit: I would suggest you re-read IJW’s answer and treat it a little like a worksheet to parse things out, it might help. The N4 mechanic for speculative AROs isn’t intuitive for everyone, but once you grok it then it’s easier than it sounds.
What IJW said was that there are two separate tests. Test 1 requires you to meet conditions A, B, C or D to pass. Test 2 requires you to meet condition X or Y to pass. What he didn't spell out, because it's what the rules say, is that, in the case of Dodge and Reset, condition X is "have passed Test 1". So, for Dodge and Reset, passing test 1 also means that you'll pass test 2.
This conversation hasn't evolved one bit from where it started because @ijw refused say definitely if Reset AROs against template attacks are RAI or not. It's a simple question, but ofc I know that it's difficult for him to to answer that question.
AROs aren’t “against” anything innately unless the declared ARO results in a Face to Face roll. Not all AROs result in FtF. This isn’t a conversation. Everyone else understands what you’re saying and is trying to answer your question, and you’re not accepting the repeated, overlapping, effectively unanimous mass of answers because...of some reason, I assume, but I can’t think of one that makes sense to me. This is you talking past people who are trying to engage with you, and being weirdly belligerent about it. Yes, you can declare Reset “against” a template attack in the same way you can ARO with BS Attack “against” a Move short skill or Climb entire order. Because something your opponent did made your ARO valid for one or more of several possible reasons, and somewhere in there you can confirm that you met the requirements sufficiently to declare the skill legally. You’re making this unnecessarily hard.
Like, if the problem is visualizing it, what’s happening is that the target of the attack is getting screamed at by a warning system that says “incoming missile” and is frantically mashing the reboot button to try and clear Targeted while muttering “shitshitshitshitshit” and praying that his armor lets him weather the first missile strike.
Well no, it hasn't evolved: @ijw 's post was almost identical to the helpful poster who first responded to you with their honest understanding of how the rules function *waves like an idiot*. If you're just going to ignore what literally everyone is telling you then yes, we won't progress the conversation until someone in authority says "@Tanan your understanding is wrong, please stop and instead listen to people who are trying to help you rather than making accusations of bad faith".
Please follow the Order Expenditure Sequence. During steps 1-4 you declare a Reset ARO. In the ARO Check step, you are found to have a valid ARO as you were in the fourth situation (affected by a template). In the Resolution step, you have fulfilled a Requirement of Reset (have a valid ARO).
I stand corrected. This will lead to a situation where Dodging a hacking attack outside of ZoC will be done at unmodified PH. Dodging a hacking attack inside of ZoC will be done at PH-3. But RAI is RAI.
You don’t Dodge a Hacking Attack. That’s a nonsense statement. You get a valid ARO because you were the target of a Hacking Attack. If the active trooper is inside ZOC but outside or LOF you suffer a -3 PH MOD to your Dodge. These are completely independent of each other. The whole point we’ve been trying to convey is that determining the validity of an ARO is completely independent of determining whether the requirements of that ARO has been met or what MODs are applied. The OES makes this abundantly clear by separating that into 2 separate steps.
I meant to say that you will now almost always Dodge ARO a hacking attack instead of Reset ARO. Sure, they aren't f2f rolls, but you will be better off by leaving the hacking area (or hugging that deployed repeater) with that (dodge+possbile guts) move. On a side note, I also spotted a FAQ entry related to this issue: @ijw ruling means that Dodge ARO is in fact a valid ARO if the hacker has been targeted by a hacking attack in the Hacker's Hacking Area.
Yes. I linked that one on page 1 of the thread and inane.imp and QueensGambit clarified this on the same page. The provisional ruling deals with Hacking Area ARO, as in a trooper just moving in a Hacker's Hacking Area is not enough to validate Dodge. If the Hacker is not attacked such that any ARO skill meets requirements, any Dodge declaration will be invalidated. If the Hacker is attacked such as with a Hacking Attack, a Pherobooster, or by having their Dodge declaration trigger a hostile Cybermine, then the Dodge declaration will be validated. (Assuming the Hacker in the above examples never gain LOF nor have the enemy be active in their own ZOC)
Yes. It's certainly a good tactical option. But it's not always going to be the best choice. Knowing when to Dodge and when to Reset is an interesting decision.
Casting resurrect thread because of FAQ1.1: https://downloads.corvusbelli.com/infinity/faq/n4-faq-en-v1-1.pdf "A Reactive Trooper are allowed to declare ARO in the following situations: •An enemy Trooper activates within its Line of Fire (LoF). •An enemy Trooper activates within its Zone of Control (ZoC) or Hacking Area. •It has a Special Skill, weapon, or piece of Equipment that specifies that the Trooper can react to enemy actions without LoF or ZoC. •It is affected by a Template Weapon, or is the target of a Hacking Program or other Comms Attack." AND Troopers can only Dodge if at least one of these is true: ● They are the Active Trooper. ● In the Reactive Turn, the Active Trooper is within LoF or ZoC, or they are affected by a Template Weapon. AND Troopers can only Reset if at least one of these is true: ● They are the Active Trooper. ● In the Reactive Turn, if they are allowed to declare ARO. So if you get targeted by Spotlight hacking attack outside of ZoC, you can't Dodge it? But you can Reset ARO against a template BS attack. But not against non-template BS attack.
