3x3mm and reciprocal LoS

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  1. Sirk

    Sirk Well-Known Member

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    So, I have been playing for several months now, but I have discovered the 3x3mm minimum area for LoS just recently and this changed somehow our games.

    Today I came to realize a (very weird) consequence of applying this rule and I would like to check with the community to see if this point has already been discussed (I didn't find any topic, but maybe I missed it).

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    In the image above, A pokes out of the corner just enough to see both B and C. Neither B nor C see enough of A silhouette to have the minimum 3x3mm area to declare BS attack, but A clearly sees very well both.
    After the first movement short skill, both B and C MUST declare ARO or lose it, since A is clearly in both ZoCs. They cannot declare BS attack, since they have not been targeted by A and the exception on page 24 mentions only "the target can draw LoF to its attacker as well".
    Now, A can leisurely declare BS attack with its second short and go unopposed or, at worst, opposed to a -3 dodge.

    So, I am well aware this is not as the game flow is intended to happen, I am just pointing out that RAW this is what should happen by applying the rules on the manual and they definitely need to be written differently.

    This or I am missing something big, that can definitely be the case :P
     
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    A sees B and C.
    If A is in B's facing, B sees A because of reciprocal LoF.
    If A is in C's facing, C sees A because of reciprocal LoF.

    Basically, if one of the 2 troopers sees 3x3mm of the other one, both will have LoF to each other.
     
  3. Sirk

    Sirk Well-Known Member

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    I know this is how it is played, I am just pointing how that it is a habit and not a rule. Or, at least, not as written on the manual, since LoS is reciprocal ONLY in case of an attack.

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    Then we can all agree everyone plays the intended way, so let's just keep this as a reminder to be written differently in a set of errata or for the next edition.
    But, anyway, this is one more thing that a player not part of any community that learns to play by himself would, rightfully so, play differently.
     
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    ijw ruled on it a couple of months ago. It is confirmed to be as @Diphoration says.
     
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    Screenshot_20210418-142252_Samsung Internet.jpg

    Here is the errata from the Wiki for you.
     
  6. Sirk

    Sirk Well-Known Member

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    Sure, I had not doubt about the correct interpretation and I didn't even think to play the other way. I was mostly pointing to a rule that needed to be corrected in case the issue hadn't been discussed yet.

    Good to know it had :)

    I though about looking in the forum but not on the wiki :-\ my bad.
    Actually, that you know is there any collection of FAQs & Errata somewhere? It would be helpful to have them all gathered together. Or else, I should just probably get more used to refer to the wiki instead of the rules pdf ^^.
     
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    And from discussions that I don't care to repeat; in the specific case of checking for reciprocal LOF, you do not care about the units' facing when drawing the comparison LOF.

    E.g. in the supplied image in the OP, if B and C are in A's back arc, activating C will still give C LOF to A due to reciprocal LOF even if A will not be able to use the LOF to C because drawing normal LOF requires target to be in front arc.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    FAQs are released as a PDF in the downloads section of the website and later added to the wiki.

    https://downloads.corvusbelli.com/infinity/faq/n4-faq-en.pdf
     
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