Hi, I post another one about N4 Fireteam rules, because i wasn't able to find out correct answer at forum(maybe not this time too). There were 2 Examples at my community #1. Fersen in MO, it says than count him as Knight Hospitaller, than could he become a model that needed to compose a Hospitaller core team w/ wildcards? i.e Fersen+2 KOJ+2 Santiagos? #2. (For double check) in Shasvastii, There's a special Fireteam with 'T-Drone+Up to 4 Nox', than, can i compose a Fireteam of 'T-Drone + 4 Wildcards'?, Since it's composition requires 'A T-Drone' AND/OR 'A NOX', it could happen as far as we thought. These are topics came out at my community, so i beg your wisdom :(
Yes to both. De Fersen counts as a Hospitaller so fulfils the requirement to have one member of the original Fireteam. Do note that he doesn't have the Haris skill though. T Drone and 4 Wildcards still has one member of the original Special Fireteam.
Does the “Counts As” member need to have the Haris skill or can that be brought by one of the Wild Cards? As an example, in QK, Wild Bill counts as a Jannisary for Fireteam composition. Sekban are Wildcards but also have the Fireteam:Haris skill. Hafza are Wildcards without the Fireteam:Haris skill. Can Wild Bill, a Sekban, and a Hafza make a legal Jannisary Haris Fireteam?
https://infinitythewiki.com/Types_of_Fireteam#FIRETEAM:_HARIS Says at least one member of the team must have the skill but I don't see any restrictions on what troop type that member must be, so Bill, Sekban, and Hafza should be a valid Haris,
Do you know if there has been an official answer on this? I’m getting some conflicting responses on this. I’m also hearing that since it is the Sekban with the Fireteam:Haris skill that makes it a Sekban Fireteam which Bill would be unable to join.
I don't think there's been an official answer, but I don't know why one would be needed since the rules seem pretty clear. The proposed Haris meets all the Common Requirements of fireteams, and also all the Requirements of a Fireteam: Haris. There isn't any Requirement that the member with the Fireteam: Haris Skill must also be the member that's of the fireteam's base unit type. You may be getting some conflicting responses, but it seems pretty clear which response is correct, as far as I can tell.
That would have been correct in N3 which included wording to that effect. Such wording is not present in N4.
That type of fireteams composition seems very strange to me Can troops possessing the 'Count as’ special rule authorised to form fireteams of a different type than their own ? for example in Ramah, Khawarijs count as ghulams and possess the haris skill. Can I form a fireteams haris of ghulam with a khawarij, a ghulam and a namurr ?
Ghulam can only form Core Fireteams in Ramah, not Haris. So even though Khawarijs count as Ghulam and have the Haris skill, they can't form a "Ghulam" Haris.
The haris has to meet three requirements: the base unit has to be able to form a haris per the sectorial chart; the team has to contain at least one trooper of the base unit; and the team has to contain at least one trooper with the fireteam: haris skill. The QK team discussed above of Bill/Sekban/Hafza meets all three requirements. The QK sectorial chart lets Janissaries form a haris; the team contains a Janissary (Wild Bill); and the team contains a trooper with the fireteam: haris skill (the Sekban). It looks to me like your proposed Ramah fireteam wouldn't work, because the Ramah sectorial chart doesn't allow Ghulams to form a haris. So the first requirement isn't met although the other two requirements are.
