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Praise to the Lord! - The Orders Are Coming

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by AdmiralJCJF, Mar 1, 2021.

  1. Delta57Dash

    Delta57Dash Well-Known Member

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    Ooo! Ooo!

    If we're throwing out our crazy ideas I have (no bias) the best one:

    Make the Seraph into the first Impetuous TAG, but give her Mimetism (-3) to make up for losing cover! It'd make her a lot cheaper, give her an extra order (to help her close in to glorious melee), it'd fit the lore of being piloted by overzealous Father-Officers, and it'd be a great way to differentiate her from the other PanO TAGs!

    ... Also pls Fix Super Jump.
     
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  2. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    I'm fine with the Infirmarer costing what it costs, it just needs to be good enough at something to warrant it's price.

    Would slamjamautoinclude if it had sensor though. Fuckin camo bullshit styling on my knights...
     
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  3. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    MI still seem to cost more than LI for apparently no reason. Just compare a Karhu and the Infirmarer.
     
  4. jake richmond

    jake richmond Well-Known Member

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    How about Baggage? The skill makes sense thematically for a support unit that specializes in battlefield medicine and supply. And would be very welcome with all the mines and panzerfausts.
     
  5. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    Well, it's more related to the cost of the attribute numbers. If you take a look at Bipandra, you'll see that she isn't far from an Infirmarer.
     
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  6. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    How do Karhu work then? Compare a Paramedic Karhu (2 point difference between Para and Doc)?
     
  7. jake richmond

    jake richmond Well-Known Member

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    Well...

    The Karhu has worse CC, WIP and ARM and isn't a Doctor. Its kit and skills are really great, so I guess those stat boost and full Doctor are really expensive? I think we'd all trade those extra stats for better MOV, Multirifle, MSV, NCO, Terrain (Total), Climbing Plus, Mimetism, Blitzen and Mines. Or shit, just half that.

    Its too bad, because I don't think a slightly more optimized or slightly cheaper Infirmarer would have been a problem at all. She also might have been more attractive if there weren't so many other link options. But a Wildcard has to actually be something you WANT to take, not a weird tax.
     
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  8. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    Well, if we want a wildcard doctor that isn't just looking for a +1 BS, +1 WIP Trauma Doc (because I don't know if it's good, balance-wise), we need to improve the utility and the survivability of the trooper since I don't think we really want to put this doctor in danger until the very last resort (unlike the Hospitaller Doctor who is a real fighter). So, what kind of things would you put on a PanO medic that costs about 20+ points and don't make Haqq think that it's stomping in their territory?
     
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  9. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    More utility. Why not E/M mines for example? 6-2 move? SMG/Nanopulser weapon combo? There's a ton of possibilities beyond a better stat but worse Trauma Doc.
     
  10. SpectralOwl

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    In MO? An exotic gun. One of the things PanO does, as a rule, is that everyone can shoot in addition to their other jobs. Slapping on a weapon not carried elsewhere in the link provides another reason to bring it along in spite of bloat.
     
  11. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    I start caring about Haqq territory once they drop that BS14 HI with ARM 4+


    Ona semi related note: can someone explain me pricing of AP Spitfire Asawira and Spitfire KoJ ?
    Oh, missed frenzy .....
     
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  12. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    If you want to play RGP party with a bunch of minmaxed Frenzy Knights and show up with a MI sporting half assed CC and horrible optimisation it couldn't be more jarring to look at :/
     
  13. jake richmond

    jake richmond Well-Known Member

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    Well, she does have a Boarding Shotgun.
     
  14. Sangarn

    Sangarn TRIUMcorp CEO
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    tbh just a nanopulser would be great since it's effective against dog warriors and various assassins
    BS reduce to 12 no useless BTS ARM bloat and it would be fine
    the paramedic OS loss is really a problem when list building
     
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  15. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    Finally, there's a worse medic than Bipandra, who now in comparison doesn't even look so bad. Cheaper, less bloat, better weapons.
     
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  16. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    Not enough of a raison d'ĂȘtre for this model @ 25pts IMO. But that is a really nice idea to include as part of the package, and works if other things were cut and she was cheaper.

    A 20pt Doctor with Baggage wouldn't be too bad, only +1 over a Teuton and a reasonable price for a Knight link filler.

    Would still prefer the banner did something though lol
     
  17. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    The banner transforms the Infirmarer into a Mobility Joan.
     
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  18. RolandTHTG

    RolandTHTG Still wandering through the Night

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    Seeing as I had the paint book Joan already enmarked to be an infirmarer, this just makes it a complete swap.
     
  19. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    It was a long time since i paint my old MO, so im a bit off...

    What troops can wear the colors of the main orders? I have Sergeants and Magisters painted with the Sepulchre scheme, but i have doubts for some troops...

    Father Knight/Justice?
    Black Friars?
    Crusaders?
    Probably the Crossiers and the Commander?
     
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  20. TenNoBushi

    TenNoBushi Well-Known Member

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    Black Friars are their own "order".
    I think others can be painted as any main order.
     
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