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How to play Steel Phalanx in N4; List Help

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by FriarTuck, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. FriarTuck

    FriarTuck New Member

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    I am new to SP, not to Infinity, and was curious how to utilize SP to the best of their abilities in N4.

    That being said I have the following SP models. Thoughts on how to use them and/or what additional models would help?

    Achilles 2.0
    Teucer
    Macheon
    Atalanta
    Phoenix
    Thrasymedes
    Myrmidons box
    Steel Phalanx Starter
     
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  2. Methuselah

    Methuselah Well-Known Member

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    Based on what you posted, this is the list I came up with. If you have any S3 or S4 bots from other armies, you can add them here. They will help bring the cost down so you can bring other models. Also, if you don't have something to proxy for a netrod, you could use any marker. They don't move for the entire game, but are required for most SP 15 order lists.

    Steel Phalanx
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9
    MACHAON (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 36)
    PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / DA CC Weapon, Heavy Pistol. (1.5 | 35)
    MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (1 | 30)
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6
    ATALANTA (Total Reaction) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( | TinBot: Discover [+3]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 44)
    THRASYMEDES FTO (Fireteam: Enomotarchos) Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher, Zapper / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    THORAKITES Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    THORAKITES (Paramedic, 360º Visor) Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    THORAKITES (360º Visor) Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    THORAKITES (360º Visor) Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
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    Stream of consciousness general thoughts: Good news is you have a lot of the most fun profiles. Bad news is you will need 2 lamedh and a probot (or proxy equivalents) before you're able to fit in models like Achilles in a 15 trooper list. You can still run him in a limited insurtion list. Thorakities with LRLs are really good. You should bring two of them in a link if you can. Machaon is really good. You should bring him with something that can deliver him up the board if you can - a Myrmidon with a spitty works. People really like Phoenix, but I haven't played him much so I can't say. Atalanta is very good in ARO. She is better if you can have someone nearby to doctor/paramedic her back up on your turn. She can also wreck in the active turn if you use your myrmidons to lay down smoke first. Just put her somewhere way back and in a place where she cannot be seen if she goes prone/unconscious. My general tactic for SP is to rush up the board with my link from group one and then take the midfield with my link from group two. My group one link will typically thin out or die in my opponents turn, but then I am able to start again with my link from group two. If your Lt is in your first link than you will have to do something else. Also, Hector is my favorite unite in SP. He is very strong in a link and brings 3 regular orders. I run him with thorakities in group two so he can rambo from the midfield in my second turn.
     
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  3. Sigeric

    Sigeric Irregular WB

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    My tips for using the most marketeable force in the sphere:

    - Get 15 orders, if you can. You won't get to field the all-stars team of your olympic dreams, but all the NWI+ODD of the world can't save you from bad dice.
    - Pushing with greeks requires a bit more finesse than you'd think at first glance, since they lack in long range and 5-man links. Get comfortable with moving a link with smoke. Also, bring eclipse grenades.
    - Regardless of what I just said, the statline and modifiers of some profiles allow you to take some calculated risks. You're playing with the Phallus, so swing it menacingly.
    - Despite of what army 7 tells you, you have deployable repeaters. They're called ekdromoi, and they know muay thai.
    - Don't be fooled by the glorious physique and professionally sculpted jawline, Achilles will go down like a chump agains a charging Domaru and you won't like your odds in a fistfight against a Chimera. Personally, I prefer the "lesser" heroes.
    - Place Phoenix+Atalanta or any combination of smoke thrower and visor in the same ARO spot and watch your opponent try to solve the puzzle.

    With what you have you can already make a solid list:

    - Phoenix+Machaon+1 or 2 chain myrms has been the bread and butter of SP since forever, and still is.
    - Thorakitai link is a solid option if you play 5 orders group 2 (Alke MULTI+Engineer OR Enomotarchos+Feuerbach, plus two basic guys are what I field normally)

    From that core, you can expand with the solo pieces you want, bots, or even a second myrm group.

    Atalanta is the Infinity version of chaos god Khrone and will turn some matches into skull harvests. I encourage you to try her.


    What I'd recommend you buy next:

    - Get some netrods and some rebots if you don't have any other flavor of bots you can already use. You will benefit greatly from any cheap orders you can get, and the Daleth's sensor is nice to have.
    - Get Scylla (or a decent proxy). She's great.
    - Ekdromoi, fun to use if the scenario isn't screwing with you.



    Have fun.
     
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  4. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    You’ve already got some solid advice. I’d like to add that Eudoros is fantastic. I used him a lot in N3, and now he’s just a better version of what he used to be. Mk12 has great range bands. He’s got better BS and armor than most myrmidons. Plus he’s a specialist now too. Putting him in an enomotarchos with a few sacrificial chain rifle myrmidons is a fantastic team to strike with.

    As for what to purchase next:

    Ajax is amazing. His new forward deployed profile is absolutely bonkers.

    Myrmidon officer blister. Maybe two of them. Chain of command is important because your opponent will likely know your LT as soon as you deploy.

    Nesaie brings NCO to a sectorial that often relies on fireteams. Her spitfire and multi rifle are pretty solid additions to a thorakitae team.

    Acmon. Tax awareness is awesome. A BS 13 wildcard specialist with a panzerfaust and two wounds is pretty good as well.

    an extra Myrmidon box and the new Thorakitae box would both be good to have as well.

    Dactyl+Yudbot box and the ALEPH support box. You may not use dactyls too often. Some players like to stick two of them with Hector. The netrods are practically necessary. I like to use the ava 4 Yudbots with a solo machaon. If you want to get aggressive with him, he can bring one bot with him to give him a burst bonus in CC.

    Remotes. You just need a handful of them.

    Diomedes and Ekdromoi are both fantastic. Ekdromoi hackers and the 20 point chain rifle are both fantastic thorns for your opponent. I find the other profiles are usually outshone by Diomedes. NWI means he can eat a bad roll and keep going or take a risk you wouldn’t take with a one wound model. AD just means he can be exactly where you need him to be.

    Penthsilea is amazing. She was good in N3, now she’s phenomenal. She can get where you need her to be in 2-3 orders. Pave her way with Atalanta or a linked Phoenix.

    If you can get your hands on Hippolyta, do. Adding a super jumping, eclipse throwing badass to your Arsenal is great. Unfortunately, she did not pick up shock immunity, so you need to be aware of that before you pick fights. She can add a Myrmidon to an otherwise Myrmidonless Enomotarchos team though, which is great fun.

    Andromeda is a gorgeous model, and she’s pretty good now. Her huge base is still a problem, but guard and superior infiltration kind of make up for it. She brings the only infiltration in the sectorial, which is good. She’s tough to use and tends to die quickly though.

    Scylla and Thamyris could be good purchases if you want to do some hacking. I don’t like bringing just one hacker usually, although you could make a strong case for Scylla with her ecm. Thamyris can give you an affordable (by steel phalanx standards) support so that it’s a little harder to isolate one of them with a killer hacker. I really like Drakios in Acon, but he doesn’t stand out as much in Steel Phalanx. I do like that he brings two bots with him though.
     
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  5. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    I guess i would buy 2 remote to use as lamedhs.
    2 x netrods
    And scycla next.
    Ekdromoi with a chainrifle brings alot chance for reasonable cost.
     
  6. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    Stay clear of Achilles. The Phalanx isn’t his army, he likes stealing the spotlight, fighting alongside the clandestine elements of Vanilla.

    In the Phalanx, your myrmidon fireteam brings the pain and order efficiency that Achilles has to offer, but combined with smoke and specialists. Its just a bigger, better package.

    But don’t underestimate your other elements. A team of Thorakites FOs can be truly annoying with their flashlights, and can bring terrible long range firepower with a missile bot. You’re basically buying four guys with a missile launcher.

    Atalanta is very hard to ignore with her newfound Total Reaction, providing cover and MSV+Smoke sheananigans for the myrmidons.
     
  7. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    Man. this idea is fantastic.
     
  8. themirkeja

    themirkeja New Member

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    based on an idea of a friend of mine I've made this list.

    SP 300PT atalanta
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / DA CC Weapon, Heavy Pistol. (1.5 | 35)
    MACHAON (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 36)
    MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    AJAX Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / AP Heavy Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 39)
    EKDROMOS Chain Rifle(+1B) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    PROBOT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2
    ACMON Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 31)
    THORAKITES (Paramedic, 360º Visor) Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    THORAKITES (Forward Observer, 360º Visor) Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    THORAKITES Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16)
    ATALANTA (Total Reaction) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( | TinBot: Discover [+3]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 44)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    it's very versatile and strong, you have a lot of possibilities. you have only to buy some rem and the netrod, you can use a dactyls for proxy acmon and ajax. ajax is great in steel phalanx! you need him!
     
  9. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    atalanta is looking like a must have at the moment, because phalanx no other defence to protect his troops against the opponent in reactive turn. Scycla is a good controler too. above list is fine.
     
  10. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    One of the main problems of phalanx is there is a serious crowd in own deployment zone. standart motorcyle unit with smokes can come and chainfile you with ease.
     
  11. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Total Reaction HMG bot maybe? Old Flash Pulse bots too...

    Against 6th sense, dodge on 16 and place smoke templates with Burst 2? Not a smart move for the bikes...

    Need: Acmon, Ekdromoi, Alke (NCO MULTI rifle profile rocks), Scylla & Drakios (regardless of you playing only greeks, or Vanilla Aleph too, Scylla is too juicy) & Thamirys (if you need a Pitcher + Hacker with NWI and Zero Pain, it's a good hacker to throw pitchers and use the "reset PLUS" if enemy hackers attempt to go for him), Myrmidon Officer is critical, Patroclus has new toys.

    Need but NOT urgent: Hyppolita (she is mostly an Eudoros v1.5), Andromeda, Netrods source (if the SP Dactyls box is not available -I would say, even if it is...-, go for the Aleph Support Pack for 2 Yudbots, 3 Netrods & Sophotect); remotes (S3 for 7pts flash pulses, and Total Reaction), Warcor, Achylles.
     
  12. Sigeric

    Sigeric Irregular WB

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    Man, netrods...

    I got most of my Aleph second hand, which included a lot with two sophotects and only one netrod. I refuse to buy the support pack, so I've been using some... "creative" antenna proxies with lollipop sticks and stray pieces of other models (one dakini shoulderpad here, one flap from some other remote there...), but recently I replaced those with the antennas from the ITS objective pack by customeeple. Not quite the same, but it can work if you know a warcor that bought one for a tournament.

    Seeing as they went from AI beacon to Veteran IL that can both Alert and fall prone, I could almost replace the antennas with some sort of crippled veterans from Paradiso if I found the right figurines.
     
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  13. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    The EVO isn’t doing much for you there. I’d swap it with an 8 point baggage bot and upgrade Ajax to the forward deployed version. He can still be in the Enomotarchos if you go second, but he becomes a more efficient striker with forward deployment.
     
  14. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I very much prefer the EC models for Imetrons, frankly. Not because of the organic, flower-like sculpt, but because it is frigging firm, resistant, and won't bend when you look it sideways... -.-U

    I'd say yeah, grab whatever to make a proxy for those. Heck, it's even possible to find an STL model for 3D printing... I tried aout of curiosity, since it was nearly a perfect copy. And the removal of supports broke the stem, and the "petals" both. So yeah, BAD design for the Netrods.
     
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  15. themirkeja

    themirkeja New Member

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    mmm interesting... but in the second turn you broke the FT very often no? sorry for my bad english :D
     
  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Not really, you have to measure ZoC from base border to base border, so Ajax can be a few hairs back to be inside of the Fireteam (you are not forced to use the whole Forward Deployment measure, and usually cover is not perfectly placed for that in purpose). Also, he has to be inside the ZoC of the Fireteam leader whe you finish deployment.
     
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  17. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    Not a problem!

    As your list stands now, you don’t have anything besides the fireteam to spend orders on in your first group. I usually prefer to a first combat group that has one Enomotarchos team that I use for turn 3 with either one aggressive team for turn 1 or a solo attacker (like Penthesilea or Diomedes). That way, I can spend orders attacking in turn 1, and then still have a team left for turns 2 and 3.
     
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