Long story for a short questions. My son and i have been playing the infinity role-playing game and found that there is also a miniatures game. So i hunted and found a deal on ebay for the Operation Red Veil box set. My question is this. As far as i can see there are 4 distinct games in infinity but some cross over. The models that i am getting though do not seem to be compatible with CodeOne or Aresteia. N4 it seems is like two books worth of rules and seems very daunting. The last is unknown to me which is defiance and i am not sure if they are compatible with that game. So Where should i start? I assume the rules that come with box set are older since its an older box set. We are getting hyped up to paint the models but as far as playing we are clueless and as far as i know do not have any in the area that plays. Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance.
Aight, so Infinity is a miniatures game. "Code One" is the introductory game for Infinity - all miniatures in Code One are usable in Infinity, but there are minis in Infinity that are not usable in Code one. Aristeia is more properly a board game than a traditional miniatures wargame, and comes with plastic miniatures that do not translate well into Infinity. However, there are limited sculpts of characters who exist in both games that are usable in both. Defiance is another board game, a co-op dungeoncrawler, that had a limited release through kickstarter. It uses metal minis, all of which are usable in Infinity and some of which are usable in Code One. It's not available for general release at this time, and maybe not ever. If you're trying to get into Infinity? Red Veil is a good start in terms of minis, and the introductory rules in there shouldn't teach you anything that's explicitly against the current rules except for the crit mechanics iirc, but the game has had a new edition since that released. You can find the core rules for the current edition of Infinity here - they're free online. If you already have that under your belt, some additional rules can be found here. You can find the website for "Infinity Army," an app that lets you construct armies for both Infinity and Code One, and has all of the unit stats and abilities in it, as well as telling you which units work for which factions, here. You can also download it on your smartphone or whatever. All of these can be found via links at Infinitythegame.com , Infinitytheuniverse.com , or Aristeiathegame.com . Let us know if you have any other questions!
Well, the best place to start playing Infinity would be Code One. Code One being the introductory rules (but still hefty in and by themselves), while Infinity 4th edition (N4 in short) is the whole shebang. Alas, the models you got are not all compatible with Code One: in order to keep things simpler, not all Infinity models are used in Code One, and one of the factions in your box, Haqqislam, is not yet ported in that system. So I’m not sure what path would be best for you. Either you buy a new box, there’s an excellent one currently available (https://store.corvusbelli.com/wargames/infinity/codeone/operation-kaldstrom). It’s more money, but it’d probably be the cleanest start. Or you go straight to N4, you’ll be able to use the models from Red Veil but the rules are considerably more complex. Although not 2 books worth of complexity: one of the books is the rules, available for free online, the other is the fluff, and you already have most of it elsewhere if you’re playing the rpg. Finally, Aristeia is something completely different, it’s a boardgame about a sport that takes place in the Infinity universe. It has its own models.
With the minis you bought, you'd be looking to play either Code One or N4. As others have mentioned, Code One was intended as a sort of simplified version of N4 which is just the edition name of the full game of Infinity. Code One was designed to attract new players, but I don't know if it worked. The Code One portion of the forums are completely dead, and I don't see people playing much Code One online though I haven't been looking closely. I suspect that most new players would prefer to just learn N4 - the full game - rather than a simplified game. But I could be wrong! That said, one of the ways in which Code One has been simplified is that it doesn't include all the factions from the full game. You can always proxy your Haqqislam minis as a different faction, though that may be sort of unsatisfying. In the long run, if you want to play the Haqq faction you have to either play N4, or wait an indefinite length of time for the faction to be added to Code One. (You may be able to tell from all this that I don't think much of the idea of Code One, any my recommendation would be to just learn N4. It's not that hard! But others may disagree). Before you decide, you might want to play some games against existing players. Depending on your local pandemic situation you may be able to find an in-person group, but these days Infinity is being played about 50% online on Tabletop Simulator. You can even 3d-scan your painted minis and play with them online!
It should also be pointed out that while N4 has two books in a slipcase, the larger of them is all fluff and background, while the smaller one is the rules. The rules, as mentioned above, are free in PDF from the Infinity website along with the official wiki (very useful for looking up rules during play) and the army builder.
I don't know if it's up to date but when CodeOne was launched, a community based army list was created to play factions that are not officially included. It should be found in the forum's C1 section.
The document can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ToAumAf9s_3MFstXdAGPCRR94jWAgVfrpq9mVzFwwt8/edit?usp=sharing Alas, it’s a bit difficult to use for a beginner, using the official army builder is so much easier.
Well, Code One wasn’t going to attract a lot of this forum’s grognards. But with a release date last summer, there wasn’t much hope to attract new players either. Yes, you can try it out online, but that’s not a big magnet for a game about minis, not where newcomers are concerned. Well have to see post-pandemic if CB tries to relaunch the system, but for now, it’s clear it has gone mostly unnoticed outside of the existing community.
So for me and my son, Code one would be easier but also not something we will be playing long term. N4 rules is the only real applicable set of rules for the set I purchased. I am hoping to fill out both armies with the Beyond red veil set so we can each have the 10 model limit. Is it better to start learning though with a small subset of those miniatures. Also when looking in the army builder how do i know which models i have and which one is a lieutenant etc. The ones with unique weapons seem pretty straight forward but seems like a lot of models that are the same with slightly different load outs similar to what I remember from warhammer 40k. Is there a 3 player variant of this game or does it break down pretty quick with a third person? Thank you all so much for the information very much appreciated.
Start with Code One. Like the full N4, its a free download. The reason to start here is that it's a subset of the full rules. So everything you learn will remain valid if you move on to the more involved version. But it will thoroughly teach the core things you need to know. Once you know that you'll know if you care to expand on it. It may not be your cup of tea, it may be just enough to be interesting, or perhaps you'll want more. That's when you tackle the full rule set. Don't worry about what model is what. Since neither of you know anyhow it can be whatever you want. The game fully allows proxying so just relax and play the game. With experience you may decide you don't like any of the four factions that exist in Code One. Those are also sub-sets of the full blown version of the game. Then you can worry over what a particular model is suppose to represent. You may wish to take a look at the podcast Mayacast. They are currently doing a work through of N4 for beginners and may help shed some light on things for you. Also: Would you care to reveal a country, state, city you reside in?
So just proxy models i guess that makes sense, will see what my son thinks of the other three factions. Is it a game where your allowed to pit the same faction against each other? I will check out the Mayacast for sure i always need something to listen to during my commute. I live in Bellingham Wa, USA its almost Vancouver BC really and i imagine i can find someone up there once the pandemic lightens. At the moment my son and are just getting excited to paint them up.
Proxying is very much part of the Infinity experience, as long as the base size is correct and both players know what is what you're good to go. I might even suggest Proxying the Haqq minis as PanO or O-12 in Code One until you feel ready to branch out into N4, the two games were developed alongside each other and shares the same DNA, with C1 being designed as an intro/lite version of N4 rather than being completly separate games. I'd definitely recommend starting small and working up, you should focus on getting used to things like order expenditure, Camouflage, face to face rolls, Deployment, etc at first. Starting at ~10 points in C1 (equivalent to ~100 points in N4) and working your way up at a pace that's comfortable to you. Once you're confident with 25 and 30 point C1 games that's probably a sign you're ready for N4. A quick and dirty suggested proxy list for Red Veil Haqq to O-12 in C1: Ghulam = Kappa Tuareg = Lynx Zhayedan/Khawarij = Psi-Cop/Gangbuster/Crusher Al Fasid = Gamma Beyond Red Veil Ragik = Delta Fiday = Razor Sadly there's no easy proxy for Tarik from the Beyond box, but the rest are all very usable.
Yes. I'm familiar with the area and drive. There are/were(?) at least two Facebook groups for Infinity that cover the Seattle/Bellevue area. There may have been one for further north... Here we go. A bit of Google and viola! https://www.cascadiainfinity.com/
Oh cool. I live in Shoreline just outside Seattle, but we might relocate up to Bellingham-ish at some point, it’s an interesting little city and we like the area. Before the pandemic there were regular Infinity games happening at Dark Tower Games in downtown Bellingham, so you’re most likely not the only players in the area. There’s also an Emerald City Infinity group and a Cascadia Infinity group on Facebook; neither is super active since the pandemic started because the local weather isn’t friendly to outdoor games most of the year, but you do have options besides Vancouver for games. I would add that players have recently been recording and streaming games played on Tabletop Simulator to YouTube, and you might want to watch one or two of those to get a sense of what the flow of play looks like. I think some have been done with Code One rules, as well.
So i finally got my Operation Red veil box set and its well to put it bluntly in shambles. out of the 7 yu jing models there are only 2 and the ninja girl is missing her bow. Out of the Haqqislam i have all 7 models and only the sniper girl is missing her backpack. I also have an additional 10th model to which appears to be Tarik mansuri. I am not sure what to do from here. My son was planning on playing the Yu Jing faction and there are basically no models here for him. Is there a way to buy missing bits from corvus belle?
Do you think it was a mispack or was the result of the secondhand market? If it was the latter, you have limited recourse. If it was a mispack, Corvus Belli is good at fixing the issue when you contact them. But it would probably be best to contact the original ebay seller.
If you speak to their customer service they'll sometimes include spare parts with a direct order from their store, that's how I got a replacement bow arm for the same ninja you have after I lost the arm during a move. I'm not sure if that stretches to whole models though. You might be able to find the 6 model starter for Yu Jing that contains the same models as Red Veil without the ninja, it went OOP at the same time as Red Veil but there still should be some floating around. Edit: It might be worth seeing if you can get a return or part refund on the Red Veil box if it wasn't advertised as incomplete. EBay/PayPal make this quite easy to do in my experience.
That sucks. I've had only good experiences buying models on ebay, but this sounds like a straight-up ripoff from the seller. Hopefully ebay's dispute resolution procedure will get you a full refund. In terms of where to go from here. If you like the Red Veil models, you could keep the incomplete set and fill in the gaps by buying the remaining models individually on ebay. But there's no guarantee that ebay will have all the missing models available. You also usually pay a substantial markup for split boxes (it's still a good resource if you only want one model since it saves you from buying the whole set. I've bought many split box models for that reason!) So you're probably better off returning the whole box and buying a new box from a different seller, if one is available. Alternatively, if you're returning the box anyway, this could be an opportunity to decide whether you still want to play with those particular models. If you're still planning on playing Code One, Red Veil may not be your best choice since one of its two factions isn't currently playable in Code One. You might take a look at the Operation: Kaldstrom box which has Panoceania and Yujing models, all of which are playable in Code One. It's also still in production so you would be able to just buy it new, for less than you probably paid for the Red Veil box. You also don't have to start with a box set - there are many other models that are sold in individual blisters. You spend a little more but get more control in terms of only buying the models you like.
I did contact the seller they are giving me a partial refund, it is not a mispack. Deeper investigation reveals what i actually got was the haqqislam red veil and beyond red veil side 10 models in total. I did not receive any yu jing models i misstook the jetpack girl from the beyond red veil for the ninja girl as it was what i was expecting. I will look and see if i can find someone selling the yu jing half of the red veil boxes.
I don't know if it still can be found but the operation boxes were later available as faction boxes (IE one yujin box and one haqq box).
