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Active Camo vs. Camo + Regular Trooper

Discussion in 'Rules' started by TriggerPuller9000, Feb 8, 2021.

  1. TriggerPuller9000

    TriggerPuller9000 Poverty Orde Wingate

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    Active Camo Marker A activates, and declares Move to peek around a corner to see enemy Camo Marker B and an enemy Trooper.

    At this point, both Camo Marker B and Trooper declare "Hold" against Camo Marker A.

    Camo Marker A declares BS attack. At this point, what happens? Relevant portion of text here:

    Also relevant: Example on P.84 Fusilier vs. Camo Marker + Remote.

    Option A (consistent with above text box): Camo Marker A declares BS attack, and must allocate all Burst upon declaration of this Short Skill. Since the only valid target *at declaration* was Trooper, all Burst must be allocated to Trooper, and Camo Marker B which Held its ARO can fire back unopposed (Marker A cannot shoot B).

    Option B (consistent with p.84 example and above textbox but different set of short skills): Camo Marker A declares BS attack, and must allocate all Burst upon declaration of this Short Skill. Assuming Camo Marker A is using a Combi Rifle, a B3 weapon, he can allocate 2 dice to Trooper and 1 dice to Camo Marker B. If Camo Marker B declares ARO BS Attack, the roll will be FTF between these two; if not, the declaration is invalid and Camo Marker A's dice vs. B is cancelled.

    Something else?
     
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  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Option A, the Active camo marker cannot declare an Attack against a Camouflaged Marker.
     
  3. TriggerPuller9000

    TriggerPuller9000 Poverty Orde Wingate

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    Thanks for the reply. Can you cite the language describing why this is the case? I'm trying to reconcile the text under Camo which supports Option A with the example under Discover (example item 3B) which specifically has the fusilier allocating burst to a camo marker.
     
  4. wes-o-matic

    wes-o-matic feeelthy casual

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    The example cited also included the Fusilier declaring Discover against the camo marker. That context is important because the example is about the rule right above it regarding Discover+BS Attack, which allows you to target a camo marker with both Skills in a single Order. It should be considered a specific exception to the general rule that you can’t declare attacks against camo markers.

    The rules language you’re looking for is in that red Important box:

    “A common combination in an Order is Discover + Attack. This tactical maneuver allows you to declare an Attack against a Camouflaged enemy, which cannot normally be done.”
     
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  5. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    https://infinitythewiki.com/Camouflaged_State
    Screenshot_20210208-072001_Chrome.jpg
     
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    TriggerPuller9000 Poverty Orde Wingate

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    Got it, thanks for the replies!
     
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