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Are ZoC declarations to leave Hidden Deployment welcome?

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Mahtamori, Feb 8, 2021.

  1. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    I would argue that calling this a "spurious" Dodge is N3 thinking. In N3, you declare a ZoC ARO because you think you're in ZoC. In N4, you just declare the ARO and check its validity later in the Order Expenditure Sequence. There's nothing in the rules that says you have to expect the ARO to be valid, and that appears to be a clear, explicit, and deliberate change from N3.

    That being said, I think the answer will be even more clear once we get confirmation of the typo in the FAQ question re inside/outside.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Arguably, I don't think this has changed much from late stage N3. The spurious part comes in when you declare the skill expecting it to fail. Incidentally, just like in N3 when we had a mad debate on it in relation to Executive Order.

    It is somewhat more important now, though, considering that camouflaged state doesn't automatically come with Stealth meaning "I delay my ARO" and not even breaking camo is even more possible.
     
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    Ashtroboy Well-Known Member

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    Honestly not sure what the RAW/RAI interaction is but personally it feels a little gamey as you can get the benefit of being in hidden deployment during your opponent’s turn if you go second and then declaring an zoc ARO on their last order to then have all your orders on your turn. Once again there are no rules backing how I feel as this is my personal feelings of it.
     
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  5. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Once again.
    My main problem with this interaction is it is an obscure amalgamation of several rule and FAQ parts. It's not intuitive and out in the open.
    If it was explicitly mentioned and confirmed in an FAQ to make it accessible to everyone I don't see a problem.
     
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