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QK list asking for tips

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by CalamarRojo, Feb 3, 2021.

  1. CalamarRojo

    CalamarRojo je veux être calife à la place du calife

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    Well, i played a bit during the N3 and now with the N4 my gaming club has a new infinity enthusiasm.

    So, i was sorting my miniatures, painting back what was left and i got this list,

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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    DJANBAZAN (BS Attack [Shock]) AP Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31)
    SEKBAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt(+1B) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 21)
    HAFZA (Lieutenant) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    LEILA SHARIF (Hacker) Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
    SEKBAN Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    DJANBAZAN Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    KAMEEL (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)
    FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3
    AZRA'IL Feuerbach(+1B) / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 44)
    GHULAM (Doctor [+3]) Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    NASMAT PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

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    My idea is not very original, use the smoke to cover the djanzaban machine gun group to advance and "free" shoots, the sekbans for extra orders due the nco, hawas to take objectives, and sekban missile launcher, sniper and hafza and the azrail as aro teams.

    So, what is completely useless, some tips on how to improve? Not looking for a sharp list, just not to be beaten to shame next day :P
     
  2. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Can't say I have much N4 experience myself (for obvious reasons :(), but:
    1. Do you intend to use the Yuan Yuan in air-deployed role, or on-table role? Or some here, and some there? Either way, my experience with YY since 2ed (granted, exclusively in the AD role) suggests they are very Order-hungry. Note that deploying them from AD has been recently FAQed as affecting their individual Orders. Therefore, having 3 of them in the secodnary Combat Group will mean they are going to be Order-starved. I'd swap one for a Fanous - over long range, in Cover, and with all the trimmings of Flashpulse, a Fanous can pull a decent job as a cheap ARO model. It might be advisable to move one YY to Group #1, too.
    2. The layout of Group #1 suggests it is intended for long-range shooting, with active models in the field being two al'Hawwa hackers. If this is what you want, it is fine - but if you intended to do sometihng else, maybe it could be thought over?
     
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  3. CalamarRojo

    CalamarRojo je veux être calife à la place du calife

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    Hi! thanks for your reply.

    My idea with the YY is to regular deploy them to create smokes barriers. Launch a smoke grenade on the djanzaban and shoot, cover in aro other units with the smoke etc. But as you said, maybe i can move one of them to group 1 just to give him the chance to do something else.

    The group 1, i have a haris with the hmg, the shotgun sekban and leila to be moving around them, and also the hawwas to take objectives, but im open to any improvements.
     
  4. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    Couple of things I wanna note on that list you have:

    – Good overlapping ARO defense. I am assuming Azzie FB will be standing out in the open overwatching with his big gun somewhere on the rooftop and combined with double Hawwa hackers, Djanbazan Sniper, and Sekban HRL the reactive potential of this list is pretty good. You can create a lot of situations where your opponent will have to deal with more than one face-to-face roll at the same time.
    – However, in the active turn, this list can only hope to accomplish objectives and not much else. Djanbazan HMG is the only high-burst weapon platform, and if he keels over you basically don't have a weapon that would move you out of the DZ and reliably shoot you a path to victory.
    – Sekbans are somewhat redundant. Two models with the NCO skill, one is AROing, the other one is just sitting to fuel your link with an NCO order. If I had to chose, I'd skipped the HRL Sekban and then upgraded the BSG Sekban for Doctor+3.
    – If both your AROing models in the link die you'll be left with a 4-man link team which is not the best scenario when it comes to reforming your Defensive core into offensive Core. That is, unless you want to move Djanbazan out as a lone shooter without a link, which is perfectly serviceable.
    – I'd spread orders around the two groups a bit more evenly, purely because an Azra'il is in my opinion too valuable to be just left in the DZ.

    Here is my suggestion.


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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    DJANBAZAN (BS Attack [Shock]) AP Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31)
    HAFZA (Lieutenant) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    HAFZA Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 17)
    SEKBAN (Doctor [+3]) Boarding Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
    LEILA SHARIF (Hacker) Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
    DJANBAZAN Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    KAMEEL (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)
    AZRA'IL AP Heavy Machine Gun / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 40)
    ODALISQUE (Sixth Sense) Submachine Gun, Contender, Nanopulser / MULTI Pistol, PARA CC Weapon. (0 | 23)
    FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    – Downgrade Sekban HRL to Hafza HRL for a surprise ARO in the midfield if you decide to move your link out once the DJ sniper is down.
    – Upgrade Sekban BSG to a full Doctor+3. Spending an NCO order on reviving someone in addition to an extra bit of movement is very handy.
    – Yuan Yuans are in two different groups now and you can now fuel them with orders more reliably if you want to.
    – Azra'il gets the second high-burst weapon and an Odalisque at his side that would cover his bacon once he moves into the center of the table to starts bringing death. A CC specialist with close-range weaponry ensures that this Duo can face the enemies within any range bands and also have an option to use a DTW. I got the Sixth Sense loadout purely because going in the midfield means facing enemy Infiltrators and they got Surprise Attack. Most of the time the 360 visor is more useful.
     
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  5. CalamarRojo

    CalamarRojo je veux être calife à la place du calife

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    Thanks for the tips! I dont have an Azrail heavy machinegun mini... but what do you think about a jannisaire with the machinegun? If not i can work a bit the list with your tips, specially what you say about losing the active turn iniciative to do something else if the djan is down.
     
  6. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    While Janissary is a better shot than Azzie and can now link in a Haris Fireteam, the ARM buff that the N4 had brought means that some beefier units like Knight of Justice, Mowangs, or Boygs are now even more reliable when sitting in cover, so you gotta have some armor-piercing potential, and AP HMG on Azzie combined with Continuous Damage and +1 DAM is going to melt through such high-armor targets. And, being an ARM 5 model himself, Azzie is a good Suppression Fire model once you bring him into the proper chokepoint behind cover.
     
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  7. CalamarRojo

    CalamarRojo je veux être calife à la place du calife

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    so.... to the shop basket them :P
     
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  8. WWHSD

    WWHSD Well-Known Member

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    I picked up some Azra’il models recently and they were quite a bit older. They are S2 models and not S5 like the current profile. There is a more recent S5 model but it’s put of print and I have been unable to find one. I’ve been using my Al Fasid as a proxy.
     
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  9. CalamarRojo

    CalamarRojo je veux être calife à la place du calife

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    The other option i have is to make something as @AssaultUnicorn recommend is to change the Azrail and some extras for scarface. What do you think? I have the mk12 variant (think it is the only one that exists yet) but can proxy any, for example the ap heavy machine version.... something like this:

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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    DJANBAZAN (BS Attack [Shock]) AP Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31)
    HAFZA (Lieutenant) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    HAFZA Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 17)
    LEILA SHARIF (Hacker) Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
    SEKBAN Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    DJANBAZAN Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    SCARFACE Loadout Beta & CORDELIA TURNER undefined / undefined. (1.5 | 81)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Loadout Beta AP Heavy Machine Gun, Panzerfaust / DA CC Weapon. (1.5 | 64)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (- | 0)
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 17)
    KAMEEL (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

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  10. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    Scarface can proxy any one of his load-outs, so yes, feel free to use any.

    Consider bringing Scarface into Group1 while reserving Group 2 for Hawwas as specialists. 5 Orders for Scarface is good, but the number of orders you'll need may vary, and TAGs are generally considered to be order-hungry models. Other than that, the list seems to be doing its job alright.
     
  11. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    Scarface can proxy any one of his load-outs, so yes, feel free to use any.

    Consider bringing Scarface into Group1 while reserving Group 2 for Hawwas as specialists. 5 Orders for Scarface is good, but the number of orders you'll need may vary, and TAGs are generally considered to be order-hungry models. Other than that, the list seems to be doing its job alright.
     
  12. AssaultUnicorn

    AssaultUnicorn KTS is the best unit

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    Scarface can proxy any one of his load-outs, so yes, feel free to use any.

    Consider bringing Scarface into Group1 while reserving Group 2 for Hawwas as specialists. 5 Orders for Scarface is good, but the number of orders you'll need may vary, and TAGs are generally considered to be order-hungry models. Other than that, the list seems to be doing its job alright.

    Edit: DAMN IT INTERNET
     
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  13. Capo.Paint

    Capo.Paint Well-Known Member

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    In that approach you will need to drag Scarface into group one and simply wait until there are slots freed in that group to get the other Hawwa into that and push some buttons. You probably will throw Scarface in your opponents face turn one or find a better path with the Djanbazan, so you need as many orders for this as possible.
    Maybe you can skip one Hawwa hacker for three Fanous and something fancy somewhere else, since you have an other Hawwa and Cordelia as specialists available and can get Leila into action after the sniper is shot.
     
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  14. Cannon Fodder

    Cannon Fodder Well-Known Member

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    Here is what I'm looking forward to with QK in N4.
    • I know the YY are not as good any more, but they have always been solid.
    • I love the Djanbzan fire team. I trimmed down my QK to only have them as my fireteam option.
    • Azrail was always fun and I want play him again, and he can link with Leila, raman or a sensor bot.
    • The mobile Bridada got a big boost. The Hacker & Tinbot profile is very promising. It's not a bad option to pair with the Azrails Sensorbot repeater.
    • AVA 3 Fanous means you can easily hit 15 model cap, while still having a couple Heavies.
    • Alhawwa is a classic objective grabber. Very simple, but good.
    I'm not sold on Scarface. I loved him in N3, but I liked him because he was cheap. The newer profiles are bigger and stronger, but not necessarily better.


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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    DJANBAZAN Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29)
    DJANBAZAN (Doctor [+3]) Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29)
    DJANBAZAN Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34)
    HAFZA Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    HAFZA Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    AZRA'IL Feuerbach(+1B) / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 44)
    LEILA SHARIF (Hacker) Shock Marksman Rifle, E/M Mines, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 20)
    MOBILE BRIGADA (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 39)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

    4 SWC | 296 Points

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  15. CalamarRojo

    CalamarRojo je veux être calife à la place du calife

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    Nice! One of those hafza can be forward observer... Its 2 points more and you have 3 left.
     
  16. CalamarRojo

    CalamarRojo je veux être calife à la place du calife

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    Ya... I will need to buy another box of remotes for that, but can do with one fanous and a gulam doctor or sniper, that's an extra order
     
  17. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, in the N4 era of Tactical Window I might not use the 3x Fanous, 2x Kameel Order battery (suppleented by a Shihab or two, and maybe a Rafiq), but in N3, I did that pretty often. So yeah, I have 6 Haqq S4 REMs, and I was contemplating getting one more :P But I usually make od with one of my Corregidor REMs - they aren't too much out of place in a QK contingent ;)
     
  18. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    On a related note: Do you ppl prefer the SMG or the BSG on the Bashi Bazouks?
     
  19. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I have very little experience with N4, but as far as I can see - SMG all the time in my case. Simply way too cheap not to use it, and still has a DTW (ChianColt) and AP ammo on the SMG...
     
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  20. Capo.Paint

    Capo.Paint Well-Known Member

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    In N3 the SMG was superior for me. But in N4 I tried the rifle + lsg, which is far more flexible and gets the template now. Deploy it as SMG to hide the thread on mid-ranges and start having fun. For the BSG I don't really see the spot.
     
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