This was a nerf since N4 this was an answer to a frequently asked question, but this actually changed nothing since it worked this way from start.
Is this the FAQ you're referring to? If a Trooper uses an Airborne Deployment Skill to deploy onto the table via a Coordinated Order or an Impetuous activation, what happens to their own Order? In this situation they will lose their own Order. That's 100% consistent with the N4 rules - they removed the clause about retroactively adding their order to the pool. Seems like it was an intentional change in the new edition.
I don't get why they're so bad? or is it just relative to the n3 versions which were just stupidly good for their cost?
You get fewer orders if you drop them during the first turn's Impetuous phase. If you drop them later then it's actually slightly better as you're no longer spending a Regular order to hold them back.
I disagree that it is consistent with the rules. Yes they did remove that clause but irregular orders are never added to pools they are kept by the trooper, and the remember box on pg 23 indicates to me undeployed troopers keep their orders. But I guess it's a moot point since I'm on the losing side of the FAQ ruling.
Go to Ikari for example. Ask yourself why you would ever bring them over 6 points Desperadoes, who comes with BS11 B5 Assault Pistol, Smoke Grenades, Light Smoke Grenade Launcher and Chain Rifle. The answer is you wouldn’t and the Impetuous Order that robs them of the extra order is the primary reason as to why you wouldn’t.
Because sometimes a drop troop is better than a bike at getting to another side of the table? Like, the lost order is less than the number of orders you might spend getting there. Granted the value proposition is there, but its not a no brainer. Maybe it is to you. But I think a lot of this is just sting from them getting a downgrade because they were fucking amazing before - like THE best troops at combat jump in the game kind of amazing.
I was pretty sure that IJW even stated that if you choose to spend Yuan or Duroc's Impetuous order they would keep their irregular order. I could be wrong about that, but I have been playing them as keeping their irregular orders. So, now that the intention is confirmed. The question can still remain. Why? Do QK and Ikari need a nerf? No. Does Duroc need a slight nerf? No. Were they balanced when they kept their irregular orders (or rather, didn't, but players believed they did)? I honestly think yes. Yuan because they are balanced by being in mediocre factions. Duroc because he has an over priced margot he carries on his back. Are they still good and will we still use them? Yep. So it doesn't matter too much in the end.
U wot m8? A BS14 AP+Shock Rifle, Shock Gren Launcher, Shock Light Shotgun, Terrain (Total) HI with ARM3 that comes in at any point of any edge of the table for 37 pts is overpriced? That's a tougher and more shooty Van Zant (34 pts) who has Duroc there to cover any CC necessary.
Order (d)efficiency is the reason why I don't like Combat Jump troops in general; I always have problems getting their order efficiency to work. So with that said, I find that this clarification makes Yuan Yuan in line with other Combat Jump / Parachutist troopers. (But when retaining their orders they were far far too good during N3 for their pittance of price, being able to plonk down roughly where needed and put bespoke smoke almost exactly where needed on demand?)
Absolutely agree with everything. Margot overpriced,Duroc mediocre and overpriced,why he has only AVA 1??? Why they nerf them to the ground???
