''Draw near, that you may meet your doom the sooner” Achilles If you read the description of Achilles, everybody think to a god of war, to what should be the strongest profile in the game. So, I know that it's not possibile fully respect this in the game, but I think we are really too far. . Let's focus on the V1, the original version - he is the only HI profile that didn't get a big discount in N4 (he have only lost frenzy and the price is the same); - he is one of the very few who did not have any bonus to his cc in N4 - with every big and strong weapon of the current game, his best bs weapon is a very simple spitfire - there are a lot of ''normal'' guys with bs(+1b)(+1/2dam)(ap) etc... he have nothing of these - there are a lot of ''normal'' guys with bioimmunity, total immunity, critical immunity... he have nothing of these - there are warriors with cc(+1b)(+1/2dam)(cc attack -3/6), 2 weapon in cc... etc... he have nothing of these - there are a lot of warriors with berserk, natural born warrior, etc... he have nothing of these - there are a lot of warriors with smoke grenades, eclipse grenades, albedo,and skill like climbing plus, super jump, bonus to dodge roll etc... he have nothing of these - there are a lot of profiles with tinbot firewall, ecm hacker etc...he have nothing of these Same is the version 2, he have only a better spitfire. Personally i started infinity and aleph just for achilles, but I haven't played it for a long time now. I was looking forward to N4 hoping to see some big news about him, but CB did not want to give him the necessary time; and to hear many of aleph players like me are disappointed with this I would sincerely prefer a more expensive profile but worthy of its name. CB: give us a God, let the savings for the others. Don't you also believe that the hero par excellence of the human sphere deserves a little better?
I think Achilles is amazing in both versions, the hoplite recived a points discount, and the "regular" version droped a little the SWC cost, from 2.5 to 2, this isn't a minor thing if we think some units like the "posthuman" get up a little to SWC in some profiles, but others recived the samen discount (most of the HI with Spitfire or HMG are now 1.5 SWC instead 2). So, yes, no big changes, but still one of the best profiles in game. To me Achillles and the Avatar from CA are the most difficult targets to confront. If I don't prepare really well my lisy to deal with Achilles or the Avatar I find myself with a lot of troubles trying to survive. So, I don't think Achilles need some "Power Up". We are talking about a profile capable of deal with pretty much anything in active turn and really capable of defend himself while ARO time. Best regards!
The problem with Achilles isn’t that he’s bad. He’s still a W3, MOV 6-4 Spitfire, with Mimetism -6 and now not having to worry about flamethrowers and losing cover. The problem with Achilles is that he no longer feels state of the art, as there are tons of units able to do some of what he can - although not quite. There used to be just three-four units able to match him in CC, now there are plenty that match him, while those that surpass him do so by a wide margin - although those probably will want to avoid engaging his spitfire. His spitfire used to be the best gun in the game. Now it’s just meh compared to other toys. But he isn’t bad.
Umm... There's like 3 or 4 HI units that didn't get a discount (one of the shittiest HI got more expensive to boot), Achilles isn't one of them. Only his 2 SWC is a bit odd. Achilles is one of few units with no weaknesses. Most of the units you hint at as examples for your other points have weaknesses, like being crap at melee, having no Mimetic -6, being slow, etc.
I understand him here. Because achiles is not the Best rambo any more. Many units have more than cc23 these days. Achiles is still strong unit and i would love to take in most of the aleph lists. But doesnt seem like before not cause of the stats he has but the other units. There is nourkias now with cc25. Before only shinobu had this and achiles had 24. Now even sas has more than 22. Cause of the similar issues he doesnt seem legendary anymore.
The blonde hero is no longer special. It is stable, I only include it on my lists because I have no other LT. I consider him to be a medium-useful heavy infantry. I dislike him the most for being vulnerable to Berserk attacks. Domaru does what he wants in CC with him and costs 21? It is not currently worth 75 points. I wish he would come back to the throne, that he would get as much love from CB as Domaru, Asawira, The Unknown Ranger ...
I would love to see him as war god too. I could be ok if they were increasing the costs. But problem is as i say not him. He is a stable unit. Problem is the other gods. And as much as there are more gods everywhere. An old god doesnt seem legendary anymore
Achilles is for what it's worth an absolute beast. He is an S2 model with the Stateline of a TAG. I think that is godlike enough. Not only in CC, but in a shootout as well. He himself might not have smoke or eclipse but steel phalanx has that in abundance. I would love to have as much smoke and eclipse in JSA, or capable gunfighters, or the best warband in the goddamn game.... Steel phalanx is ridiculously strong with the individual profiles, the drawback is that they are a little on the expensive side, but that's well deserved. So maybe you don't support your God the way you need, or have the wrong expectations.
"The Avatar is not unique anymore! A puny Kossack can have WIP15, what's WIP17 anymore, he should be a special snowflake god of war with WIP19 at least! Even a 1/20 chance not to win initiative with this god of war is frankly insulting. And what's up with ARM9/BTS9 when a dummy thicc Jotum has 10/9, huh? He doesn't have Camouflage, not to mention Holo! Any puny Fusilier can just... shoot at him, like he's some pleb Guija! He needs to get Eclipse grenades or something to shield him on approach, he's basically naked out there with just a MULTI HMG like any old TAG! Just 3 Structure? 2.5 SWC? Dodging on 11s?! What the hell! Please remove the nerfs from my Avatar, CB."
with changes to MA and CC achillies(' v1 at least,) does feel like a step down from the N3 version wile most other CC units increased in lethality for less points. even within the phalanx there is plenty of CC heros that can do his role, with similar gear, better at way lower prices and can bring a fireteam with them for a higher Burst value. a CC +1B or nbw or even (on the extreme end,) an immunity to crit or ap would make his price tag worth it.
While Achilles is great at melee, he’s also always been a top-tier shooting unit. If all you’re looking at is his CC score, I would like to remind you that BS 15 and mimetism -6 is literally as good as it gets outside of a fireteam, and is more effective and less vulnerable to disruption than the vast majority of fireteams. Achilles is still a very durable and powerful all-rounder that has the tools to win almost any fight.
Absolutely right... I think my N3 Achilles only got the chance for two CC kills, one of those vs Evil Achilles. His CC is not his main attribute, his shooting is. His CC is more a nice add-on allowing him to deal with things a Spitfire struggles with - and punching a Jotum with a DAM18 EXP with +7 on the die is bound to dent even the strongest tin can.
I don't know. He's not bad, but I feel that the A-man needs a little something extra to be the holy terror he's supposed to be. He smashes in CC, he shoots all right, but if you field them he's not going to instill the same level of dread as an Avatar or a Cutter (even though Achilles punched an Avatar to death, or so the guys from marketing keep telling us). Could be my own experience talking. The last two times I fielded the blonde machine he: 1. Died to a single Helot ARO after failing a dodge. I know, unlikely, but not impressed. 2. Killed a nameless schmuck, then ended up in the midfield being a pain to kill. Managed to land a panzerfaust to Joan's face before kissing the floor. Nevertheless, Atalanta walked away with the highest killcount and the most mental trauma induced. I think he fell a little bit behind in the power curve and needs a bit more resilience to be in the right place from an "intended role" perspective.
