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Tsyklons and Lunokhods: The Forgotten Remotes?

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by AmPm, Sep 30, 2020.

  1. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    ^ CJC has 3 AD options that use Hacking. Personally I tend to the Tomcat: C+ to drop the Repeater on a roof and then cover it with an LFT, yes please!

    I used to like the Hellcat AHD; but now... I think you're far better off exploiting linked Hackers and using a Dep Rep if you want to threaten Hacking in the DZ. What the AHD gives you is a self-contained Specialist + DZ Hacking threat, so still useful when you want an AD Specialist.
     
  2. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    It can still do the thing where you choose to shoot or hack after their ARO, right?
     
  3. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Yeah - but generally the right response to that has been "eat the Hack, fight the wound" unless you're a TAG and facing Total Control (in which case DTW to the face and pray to the dice gods is generally the best option). With the proliferation of DTWs on hackable targets as a rule, "eat the Hack, DTW back" increasingly causes issues for Hacking within LOF.
     
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  4. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    Busting out the the sick rhymes
     
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  5. freefall357

    freefall357 Active Member

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    The Lunokhod Served me well against a fireteam.
    It crossed the map into position around a corner and a wall from a bolt team and dropped a koala.
    Then I dropped spotlight on a threatening member with my interventor through the Luno's repeater.
    Next I said "I coordinated order move my Luno around this corner, and my GML bot who moves 0...What's your AROs?'

    Kinda rough to deal with. He knows coordinated BS Attack is coming next, but, does he eat the Heavy shotgun slug, or I could hit two guys with the shorty teardrop, or get 3 hit with big fire...also there is a GML (which is a proper missile in N4 now) waiting to see your response or clean up if the Luno dies and the spotlight target lives... and a koala for enhanced pleasure.

    3 orders, a command token, and a Luno at risk - to dismantle a fireteam isn't the worst.

    Also, in that one case, the Luno could handle dropbears with deactivator, but that has never come up.
     
  6. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    You can do that with a Peacemaker without having to risk the Trooper for 5-7pts cheaper and 1 less order.

    Admittedly they're only AVA1 in a faction with White Noise.

    But in Nomads it's a Moran BSG that does literally everything you described except the HFT but gets Mimmetism, Flase Pulse and is a Specialist for 8-10pts less. Also they're not Hackable.

    Hell, for that link busting role at that price point I'd prefer a Bandit BSG (with added midfield speed bump potential).

    Nobody thinks that the Lunk package is bad, it's more a question of "but, for that price?"

    Honestly the cost on the Lunokhod is so out of whack that if it picked up NWI they wouldn't feel overcosted. (Edit: that last bit is hyperbolic).
     
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  7. freefall357

    freefall357 Active Member

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    That sweet sweet PanO/Nomads crossover...I mean we already have an autoinclude ALEPH deep cover spy...so why not, LOL

    He is +0.5SWC, not insignificant. Also slower and no climb+, so harder to react to a bad deploy or phantom/fading flank shinanigains even with infiltrate, he tends to just kinda hang where you deploy him. He doesn't have the HFT, as you said, and that is a really big teardrop of continuous damage towards the "what bad choice do you choose" function the Luno offers. His shotty is lighter, but yeah...one point isn't a hangup. Luno also has armor and BTS and shock immune.
    I like Moran's more, I like the idea of them and their role more than Luno's, but I have always found something for a Luno to do...even it is is to just deny areas to soft specialists, or disarm something annoying...or demopack an IMM HI/TAG that just ate a carbonite via repeater. And yes, Luno is hackable, BTS 6 helps, and Nomad god hackers on the other side of the repeater help...but it is a weakness not to be overlooked.

    Luno is a harder speed bump, and can wait around without hording an irregular order. It can also 'minelayer' koalas.
    I might be missing your point on this one though. Bandits are handy little guys, but I'd take a Luno still.

    I agree, it is not a very clean tight kit, but it is still toolboxy.
    I can only say, they have worked consistently when I have taken them. I don't go out of my way to take them, I actually DO tend to run Morans instead, but they offer options and can fit a lot of weird synergies in a list all at once and get where they are needed with a coordinated order with units that ar advancing anyway.

    It should be noted I tend to play Vanilla Tunguska (opting out of sectoral because I don't like fireteams and do like options...but lean heavy Tunguska when options allow). That may or may not bias things I say.

    Hope that made sense, passing out while typing, heh.
     
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  8. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    Lunokholds cost same with fiday having mines.
    For me it must be a joke.
     
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