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Reverend Observants in N4

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by Snowball, Oct 2, 2020.

  1. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Well time to go rebase sci-fi Hellboy.

    But I wouldn't mind a non hacker character, like an engineer that is all about the mad/weird science that comes out bakunin or running around in a custom suit of PA, a black hand spook/ assassin, an ex Aristo like the previously mentioned Final Boss or 8-ball, or a vigilante thats been caught and forced to fight for the NMF. im just starting to find the hacker characters boring and they are all starting to blend together (though this may just be due to no unique programs to make things interesting).

    or we could reprogram another one of Aleph's toasters again.
     
  2. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    from black hand we have allready brando and kusanagi, they could have been in any sectorial...but not. We have several mercenary characters that could be in different sectorials (avicena could be in tjc, where he got some of his firmware updated, raoul could be in corregidor or bakuni, because he is allready working with starco, same with uhahu.

    But I doubt we will be lucky with that. Seems that black hand will never be a thing (even if B once suggested that it could be in the works) and the same for cross-ship dudes (Apart from the new who-knows-where-he-came dude)
     
  3. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    So I've been thinking about this some more, and "Wolfgang Amadeus Wulff, Canid Uplift Bounty Hunter" - Uplift hits Bakunin, Bounty Hunter hits Corregidor and fluff him with a Criminal / Tunguskan Lawyer /Banker patron and you get Tunguska.

    The shitty pun as a name goes from being groan worthy to being "lol, only in Bakunin".

    You don't even need a significantly different bloody visual concept.
     
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  4. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Bakunin's best Morlock trainer
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    I'm more and more convinced by the idea that the observance part of Bakunin needs something similar to the Magister Knights in MO: relatively cheap novice nuns who can be put into all the fireteams and maybe bring stuff like Flammenspeere or Akrylat-Kanonen (since Blitzens are a Riot Grrl thing) and some close quarter weaponry like SMGs or Assault Pistols.

    Profiles could look like this:
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    Oh and they'd basically act as Observance Wildcards
     
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  5. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I really feel like one option should have a Viral Pistol. Just so the Observance career path in the RPG makes sense.
     
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  6. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Bakunin's best Morlock trainer
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    Interesting! Since I don't own any books related to the RPG I didn't know that.
    So the Heavy Pistol could be swapped with a Viral Pistol for +1 Point (because of the VP's DA-Ammo portion).
     
  7. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I'm mostly joking because I'm 90% certain it's a mistake because the Observance characters don't get ODD and the Healer variant gets an Automedkit not an actual Medkit.
     
  8. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Bakunin's best Morlock trainer
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    Oh, ok. Sounds very closely oriented on the game... at least the Rev. Healer can heal one person XD
     
  9. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Technically you can use Automedkits on other characters in the RPG. They're just usually mounted into armour or similar.
     
  10. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Tristan it is much better idea.
     
  11. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    Cheerkillers should be in Bakunin, be called Reverend Novices, and freely interlink with other Reverends. This would fix Observance, and they're weird in TJC anyhow.

    Change my mind.
     
  12. Pflaumenmus

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    Well thats interesting! I just had the very same idea today and went onto the forums to write about it. Apparently there is no need any longer :joy:
     
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  13. RolandTHTG

    RolandTHTG Still wandering through the Night

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    Even if they don't get a Noviates option to make cheaper fireteams, I'd like the Reverend Healers to get Mimetism (-6). They've got the rank, they should get the equipment.
     
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  14. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    tbh @Tristan228 posted a pretty similar idea above, but the release pics also triggered me pretty strongly. I don't think you'd even need to change the profiles or the models, apart from the name and the link options. They fit perfectly. I don't understand why they weren't BJC to start with.

    A Grenzer profile should get MSV2 in TJC instead anyway.
     
  15. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    I dunno why anyone would take a Healer currently, apart from liking the model (which is lovely). So expensive for not quite being good enough, or flexible enough for any one thing.
     
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  16. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Also the thing they do which is be a combat doc embedded in a fireteam is pointless when the people she is meant to be doctoring are being shocked of the table making her existence irrelevant.
     
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  17. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    To repeat and summarize what others have said here: Observantce troops should be allowed in Moderator links. That's all they need to shine.

    I'd give up the stupid Vostok in a minute to be able to put Observance troops in with Moderators (and/or Riot Grrls). As much as I deeply enjoy the power and flexibility of being able to put Riot Grrls in other squads, it's not quite fluffy and it gets in the way of the Observance, who should have that role.

    Flexible but fragile ODD pointwomen in any team, bringing NCO with them? HELL YEAH. Medics that can actually shoot and superhackers in habits joining Moderators to boss them around? DOPE. Taskmasters with a Rev Healer and a Custodier in a Haris? LINE IT UP SON.

    Similar punch to a linked Kriza, but less resilient and more fairly balanced IMO.

    Sadly not the way it happened, but here's hoping the idea gets out there for whenever revisions happen
     
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  18. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    No.

    That's not what we're saying.

    We're saying that - while that would work mechanically - it's a bad solution from a characterful point of view. Instead something in keeping with Observance should be changed / added to make them work.

    I very much hope what you suggest isn't how they solve this, because it will destroy what makes Bakunin interesting: there are 3 separate and distinct parts to Bakunin that work together to form an effective whole. Instead it will become another "LI Core with HI and MI SWC options", and if I wanted that I'd play PanO.
     
  19. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    I'm not sure I like Reverends in Moderator links, seems even more hodgepodgy than now.

    If I had my preference (cribbing from many others ideas) it would be:

    Moderators: Core
    Riot Grrls: Core, Haris
    Reverend Moiras: Core, Haris
    Special Haris: 1 Taskmaster and 2 Morlocks
    Zoe & Pi Well: Duo

    Custodiers, Healers, Kusanagi and Novices (same profiles as Cheerkillers) count as Moiras for fireteam composition.
    1 Taskmaster OR up to 2 Riot Grrls may join a Moderator fireteam

    Wildcards: Tsyklon, Lunokhod, Clockmakers, Final Boss (Similar stats to Wolfgang Amadeus Wolf)

    I think that would be very fluffy, quite reasonably balanced and so pretty much that would fix fireteams in BJC for me. Still need some point / profile adjustments to not see dead profiles tho.
     
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  20. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Or NA2, or one of the other 2 nomad sectorials, or YJ, or ariadna or literally any other faction at this point.
     
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