the healer seems to pay a lot for all, as if she was paying the deluxe edition. Is "good" in all aspects, but is not good enought in any of it. The best non-character BS with only short-mid range weapons, the best CC, and cc weapon in the observancy but no cc-related skills, and an specialist skill that is more suited to non-combatant troops, all inside the most expensive reverend, but with the worst mimetism.
well. sorry to say this but bakunin really seems halfly baked. All reverends can be hardly taken by any player in vanilla and in bakunin sectorial. why will i take reverend healer when there is a daktari? any bakunin player will take always moderators + riotgirls if he wants a competitive game. and cant see any logical second choice.
While I do agree that Bakunin seems half-baked, I disagree about everything else. Moiras are better at winning FTF than riot girls unless the opponent has MSV. Moiras also have dtws, which riots don't quite get except for the shotty, and Moiras get HMGs and Sniper rifles, which make them better at long range fighting. Riot grrls are definetely better at moving forward and contesting the midfield, but Moiras can now at least play defensive relatively well. There are some reasons to pick them. What really hamstrings bakunin is the lack of order efficiency AND the lack of cheap tradeoff options. With zeros a bit more expensive and the limit on models making morlock spam less of a good idea, it is a bit hard to build a Bakunin list without thinking you could do the same thing but better in Corregidor or Tunguska.
^ unless you spam Grrls. Grrls are the problem with Bakunin: in their current state fixing anything else will simply make Grrls stronger. Rule one of Bakunin faction design: Grrls should not play nicely with others. Give them Avi and Clockmakers and that's it. This will give us TM + Moderator Cores which, honestly, provides an alternative to "more Grrls". The other - far more radical - option is sideline Observance in Bakunin to instead have them the focal unit of Black Hand.
I dunno, they clearly don't have the attention CJC have right now (and I don't remember anytime in N3 they have) but most of it works. Even Kusanagi+ Custodiers + Whatever SWC weapon Moira you want is almost decent. They just need a little more attention, hopefully sometime soon.
if you have a unit that works and gets a discount, it will be played more (riots case). If you have a unit that doesn't work (because it has an overcost from 2 edition changes without revisions) and increase their cost (even if they get a new skill for that value) without major changes, it will continue without working because it will still be overcosted grenzers were a bit too expensive in n3, now they got a little better thanks to the msv1 changes, but still a bit expensive. But there is one single profile that got a new skill making it worth (even if it is paying more than the skill costs), thanks to the wildcard thing. Observancy on the other side, pay each one for a skill that only one of them might use during the game (and that's only one in four observancy units), and that skill is not enought IMO to make it more interesting than before. Yes, one single moira gets a little extra value in vainilla. But for a "core unit" in their sectorial, that's not enought.
First off I don't play nomads, because I already have two peoe playing nomads in my playgroup, but if I would play nomads I would look at Bakunin. Just because of the observance. I really like the idea and general desing of the moirae and sin eaters. So I would love to see them on a playable level, not just as memelist and also get resculpts. So fingers crossed for you guys! Hope you get a rework that makes you happy soon!
I remember that they did not at any point. There was a Bakunin update concurrent and less in-depth with a CJC update. Also Grrls got updated early as a teaser for HSN3 but once the book was released it was revealed not to be much else. I've said this many times but I don't currently play Bakunin. I would love to but not for the stuff most people like (observance) but rather a cyberpunk police force. I'll probably buy Starmada while waiting.
This is the aesthetic I wanted out of my Bakunin as well. They work decently well with it, as long as you don't succumb to the new direction and chuck Riot Grrls in everywhere haphazardly. Starmada are a better fit with certain list archetypes, especially with options like Bluecoats and Lawkeepers, but things like Nyoka and especially the inter-faction units really don't mesh well with the cybercop theme. Another reason I wish Bakunin didn't get Wolff; how in hell is the only guy who gets to work with all units on the anarchy ship a damn French Wulver Mercenary?
For preparing to play bakunin for after the lock down and making lists I must admit that moira/custo/healers are hard to recruit in fireteam : the cost of a fireteam haris is equivalent to an optimised 5 men links mod/grrls. Reverend healer with 1w and mimetism -3 only is totally in an awkward place for its cost (maybe 5 points or more too expensive ) and will definitivly never appears in my lists. Forgetting fireteams things : The custodiers give acces to white noise for the faction which is nice + they provide a alternative assault piece. I like the moira Hmg for having a good piece with NCO in alternative if your main team get crooked No need to have it in fireteam. It compete with prowler a bit you can have them both ^^ they have a different use :)
It's definitely less than ideal to have the only character available in all three Nomad Sectorial's (as a Wildcard no less) be Ariadnan. The silliness of the name doesn't help either (It's cool for a joke model like Fat Yuan Yuan, but less so for something with a wide usage capability). I get the melting pot theme and all but it sure would be better to have the one character across them all to actually be a Nomad. It's like they've run out of ideas for actual Nomad characters, which is odd given how diverse and vibrant a faction they are.
Absolutely, a good female Hacker would have been the perfect character to introduce as a Nomad Wildcard available to all factions, it'd be great and feel absolutely like Nomads should.
because CB underworks nomads. They sell, why work harder on them? as other have said, lazy dessign Zoe could have been that, with her profile merged with what Mary and Jazz have been (I will refeer to mimetism -6 as ODD because, by lore, it is still that, and not enter on what extras could have, just a little idea) profile 1: HD + engineer with piwell ODD-tinbot, duo fireteam (so she gets the old ODC, that was stolen without nothing to compensate for so much time) profile 2 (mary style): HD + KHD, her alone, with ODD and AD profile 3 (jazz style): linkable HDPlus + pulsebot piwell (billie style) this also would show her different versions of piwell and her supposed versatility Maybe for tunguska could have been akward, but after working a lot, she could have paid her debts (or get rid of them by working with the new mafia CK girls). But of course, this would mean less profiles for vainilla.
I mean, much as I dig the female super hacker meme we have plenty - a male hacker character that can go between the three sectorials would be cool. Maybe a behind the scenes guy with support abilities: Black Hand Shadow delegate - Hidden Deployment (no camo) EVO Hacking Device + Oblivion. There's a lot of possibilities though.
I'd honestly have taken Final Boss over Wolfy McWolfFace: he'd have at least fit. Hell, you could have given him exactly the same profile. Huh *head canons Wolfy McWolfFace as Final Boss and actually becomes OK with building lists with him in*
