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  1. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    Hello party people, I'm playing Mindwipe today and thought of trying this out. What do you think? So you know, the Spanish ITS document says the Hacker with Data Erasure can be in Marker state (and since we are spanish speakers playing, we're going with that one):

    Mindwipe
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    DÀOFĚI (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 56)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    TIAN GǑU 1st Section (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 6)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    SON-BAE Yaókòng Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 6)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    The KHD seems like good value since the mission rewards you for taking Hackers, and the Shaolings with DAs are Plan B to take out the Servers.
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    You'll have two models capable of harming the Servers if and only if you put the Uberhacker on the Zhanshi hacker once the Shaolin inevitably die before reaching half way across the table.

    I think that playing Mindwipe you need to tailor your list a lot heavier to the mission than this :/
     
  3. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    Maybe, still haven't played the mission so I'm not sure how solid the Daofei is as an Uberhacker. The Guilangs could be hackers as well but Repeaters are really strong right now.
     
  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I would avoid it. The hacking program is weak-sauce and mostly seems meant to give you another unit to attack with that are otherwise incapable of harming the objective.
     
  5. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I literally played this mission with WB last night. and took the Daofei Hacker as well. I don't think the Daofei hacker was really that great but he at least has something to defend with if he's hacked. But he's really not that great of a hacker. If I do again, i'd concentrate on him destroying servers and use Guilang for the consoles. The boarding shotgun could be good for getting rid of defenders.

    You'll need back up for him too. The only things you have are the Shaolin DA CCW. That's fine but do you see them being able to get all the way across the table to do it? You can't even destroy them on the first turn. I took a Blue Wolf because DA CCW and he's fast and can make it across the board. Guijia could do it too.

    Unfortunately the rest of our Anit-Material weapons are just ok, expensive, and all start in deployment.
    Jing Qo+Shaolin is ok but she's expensive.
    Liang Kai is not bad but 4-5 monks can do the same thing but maybe better since they have smoke.
    Engineers with D-charges: Jujak is fast but has short ranged weapon himself. Ye Mao costs a pt more and is not much better but
    Gongchen cheap and may get across the table with some coordination.

    BTW since you know the enemy is going to take hackers, not a bad thing to take the EVO for some Fairy Dust.

    Edit: Forgot, keep a Shaolin near your own to counter attack their CC guy that comes to destroy them.
     
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  6. pedro_fgomes

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    Hello guys! New to Infinity and Yu Jing player here.

    WB 300 pts Supplies test
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    ADIL (Chain of Command) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser(+1B) / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 35)
    ZHANSHI Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6
    DÀOFĚI (Lieutenant) Spitfire, D-Charges / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 55)
    TIGER SOLDIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 31)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    LÓNG YÁ Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 16)
    PANGGULING (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)
    6 SWC | 299 Points
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    What do you guys think of this WB list for Supplies? The core team has a dual offensive/defensive role, with the AP HMG Shang-Ji and the ML Zhanshi. Adil acts as a CoC backup for my LT, can get supply boxes and use his CC skills to take down opponents and steal their own Supplu boxes, and the Zhanshi Paramedic has the +3 bonus. in group 2 the Daofei can open up a route for the Guilangs and the Tiger Soldier retrieve the other supply boxes. Long Ya is there for ARO, Panggu is there to refill the Long Ya (if needed), use its Baggage or EVO support the Tiger Soldier or the REM.
     
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  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I need to ask about the group split. At 11 order generating units, you may find it tactically more flexible to put everything in one group with the EVO on its own (using its own order to re-apply supportware when necessary). Sure, it'll advertise a likely Tiger or Hundun, but that might be beneficial.

    My experience has been that Long Ya seldom live long enough to need a refill, consider instead applying Fairy Dust to protect your Daofei from hacking or Assisted Fire on Long Ya rather than trying to keep close enough to reload.
     
  8. pedro_fgomes

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    Thats a very good point, I really don't have a reason not no keep everyone in 1 group :)

    I do think WB have very expensive CoC, but I plan to use the Daofei aggresively so I don't have much choice. It was either Adil or Lei Gong, and I think Adil is more useful for the Mission. I just hope that the number of units isn't too low.
     
  9. Space Ranger

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    I agree about the groupings. If you go first, your opponent is going to make you drop two orders. That will hurt either of those groups.

    In Supplies, Speed is King. Weather that be actual MOV, Infiltration, Combat Jump, or Forward Deploy. Speed is good for getting the supplies and moving somewhere to keep it safe, or if you need to go get it. Keep in mind, it's only specialists that can initially open the Tech Coffin to get the supplies inside.

    The Tiger Soldier is good but trying to get the item in the first place is hard for them. The coffins are many times in the open and being watched. I think it would be better to use him as a guy that goes and gets them from the enemy in turn two or three. So a Spitfire or BSG would be good for him.

    The Daofei is good for killing stuff for sure but he can also be great by both getting the box and then moving with it. His 6-2 Move and two wounds will be very valuable.

    I think instead of the Missile launcher Zhanshi, you would be helped by another Hacker. You are going to be going up against other hackers more likely. With your Guilang deploying repeaters they can be pretty effective. Both of them can ARO with spotlight against non-hackers. Both can ARO against enemy hackers too.

    What is the purpose of the Long Ya? Is he to go for supplies or defend those that get them? If you can spare the SWC, maybe a Son-Bae?
     
  10. pedro_fgomes

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    Hum, I like the idea of the BSG Tiger Soldier. I went for the Paramedic because of the +3 MOD for the supply boxes, but they are already WIP 14 which is nice enough.

    Can the LT Spitfire Daofei extract boxes? Question popped my mind when I read the Mission description:

    "For the purposes of this scenario, only Hackers, Doctors, Engineers, Forward Observers, Paramedics, and Troopers possessing the Chain of Command or the Specialist Operative Special Skill are considered Specialist Troops."

    I never used two hackers in a Firetam before, that could also be interesting. Although since only one of the Guilangs is a Minelayer, I can only deploy 1 Repeater in the table right? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm rather new with the game.

    As for the Long Ya, he is there for ARO duty and protect my units, from the backfield. I can try and get a son-bae but will have to see what to cut :)

    Thanks for the feedback!
     
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  11. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    If you don't fulfill the specialist criteria, you are not a specialist.


    1W BSG attack pieces have to be more careful in N4 because template weapons are more commonplace, ironically largely in part to the change to shotguns. Keep that in mind.
     
  12. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The Guilang with Minelayer can deploy either a Shock Mine or Deployable Repeater during the Deployment Phase, he'll have the rest of them still available once the game starts.
     
  13. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    The thing about having two of the same hackers means you can ARO with the same program with both of them. So anyone that comes close to a repeater, they can both Spotlight. Or if one of them is attacked by a enemy hacker, the other will probably be able to ARO with as well and will be uncontested. Both of them benefit from the Shang Ji tinbot too.

    Only the Daofei Lt.+Hacker can do it. In this game I'm not sure it's wise to have the Daofei the Lt. due to being a target. Especially if going for the supplies. I know you may have had Adil for that but I find he's a bit expensive.

    Here's a list I tried modifying from yours. I'd try to find a way to move the Son-Bae into the larger group though.

    WB 300 pts Supplies teste
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    ZHANSHI (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    DÀOFĚI (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 56)
    Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    YÁOZĂO PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    SON-BAE Yaókòng Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 6)
    PANGGULING (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  14. Mc_Clane

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    I'll make some sugestions you can implement on your list

    Try the coordination approach to deal with hardcore fireteams, like kamau, bolts or grenzer. You can revolt arround a lot of troops for this, but the essential here are the LongYa.

    LÓNG YÁ (Minelayer) Panzerfaust(+1B), Flammenspeer(+1B), Submachine Gun, AP Mines / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 17)
    HÙNDÙN MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34)
    LÉI GŌNG Shock Marksman Rifle, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 34)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    YĚ MĀO (Forward Observer) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
    BLUE WOLF AP Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / DA CC Weapon. (1.5 | 71)
    [​IMG] BLUE WOLF PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
    BLUE WOLF AP Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / DA CC Weapon. (1.5 | 71)
    [​IMG] BLUE WOLF PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 0)

    This approach can even be compatible with some degree of fireteams. You can put some baggage bots to re-supply those expendables and keep the ball rolling.



    Try the guided missile combo approach. It's quite nice. White banner has advanced repeaters and relatively good hackers

    SON-BAE Yaókòng Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt ( ) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 41)
    DÀOFĚI (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0.5 | 56)
    YĚ MĀO (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31)

    It will be the enemy who will put in danger his most valued pieces acting with them. If you want to ensure the marking try coordinating your spotlights in active.This can also be integrated in some degree with your fireteams. just keep your missile bot safe during the first turns.
     
  15. NoahScape

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    My question is can you coordinate an order to move 2 long ya and 2 guilang then drop a mine with all 4 of them?

    Can you do two coordinate orders per turn or just 1?
     
  16. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Yup. You can also coordinate to re-enter camo.

    There's no limit on number of coordinated orders per turn provided your opponent hasn't spent a strategic use command token to restrict you.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    In N4 you can even co-ordinate the placing of mines, deployable repeaters, and Madtraps, as they're all under the Place Deployables skill.
     
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    These two pictures pretty much summed up my game tonight against WinterFo.

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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]6
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    CELESTIAL GUARD Monitor Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenade Launcher / CC Weapon, Pistol. (0.5 | 13)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 5)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]2
    KOKRAM (Forward Deployment [+8"], Minelayer) Heavy Shotgun, E/Mitter, E/M Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Heavy Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 41)
    DĀOYĪNG (Lieutenant [+1 Order], Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30)
    GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    SON-BAE Yaókòng Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)

    6 SWC | 300 Points
     
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