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Achilles v1

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by yoink101, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    His whole thing is having frenzy. That’s why Patroclus and Penny exist. I was sure that his profile transferring over without any changes except losing frenzy was an error. I still think it’s an error. Why hasn’t he gotten an update yet? Is it not an error?
     
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  2. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    V1 doesn't have Frenzy, that's confirmed not an error. Costs about the same as in N3 and never loses cover, nice to have if you can keep him alive across multiple turns.
    V2 has Frenzy and is much cheaper as a result. There was an attempt to make the two versions more distinct. All it does for me is let V2 pull ahead combined with the AP Spitfire.
     
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  3. Iver

    Iver Human Plus

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    Boy do I wish the v1 multi rifle profile also had a Panzerfaust like the v2 does. Him also having the potential of threatening with a BS15 cover mim(-6) panzerfaust where he ends up after turn 1 could be interesting.
    With the meta being what it is, I almost like the multi rifle more than the normal spitfire anyhow.
     
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  4. yoink101

    yoink101 Chandra SpecOps Complaint Department

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    Yeah, that AP spitfire is...significant.
     
  5. El tito Zylito

    El tito Zylito Active Member

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    V2 is just for going into cc like a rabid dog

    V1 is more for shooting

    thats what i think, so V1 should have the ap spitfire and not the V2!

    i expected a good upgrade to achilles and i just found him the same but more expensive :unamused:
     
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  6. D_acolyte

    D_acolyte Well-Known Member

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    I find v2 is for everything and v1 is if people do not understand why you take MSV or mix links. Also for some reason V1 can not fireteam, I hope that is a typo. I think CB is penalizing models that relied on the old meta from 2 years ago to much. There is now a fair bit of msv in links and mix link which both weakens the potential of models like Achilles or myrmidons.
     
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  7. 5th Dimension

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    V1 has Fireteam: Duo on profile without a Special Fireteam listed sooo...can duo with Acmon or Hippolyta (since they are wildcards)? Acmon being a WIP14 Specialist and having that extra tactical Achilles delivery system order seems good.
     
  8. Axelius

    Axelius Not a Rogue AI

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    Thing is, I'm not even sure he can. Fireteam rule says that to form a link it needs to be listed that they can. Achilles v1 is not listed as able to form a Duo only a Special, but that special is specifically Achilles v2 + Patroclus. Furthermore Wildcards require there to be one model able to form a listed Fireteam to join, which, again there is no listed Fireteam that Achilles v1 is able to form.
     
  9. 5th Dimension

    5th Dimension Member

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    His profile in the app says he has Fireteam: Duo under skills. Maybe it's just an oversight and not supposed to be there though?

    And yeah I see the sillyness of having fireteam duo in a unit that is ava 1 with no special fireteam listed.

    My version of app appears to be current, last updated Nov 17.
     
  10. Axelius

    Axelius Not a Rogue AI

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    Yes, he has fireteam duo, but he is not listed as being able to form a fireteam, just like many units in vanilla lists have Fireteam skills despite not being able to form Fireteams in vanilla. A lot of the SP characters have fireteam skills despite not having any AVA, since they need it to form links with the basic troops.

    Is it an oversight? Maybe, but at the moment Rules as Written that's the way it is.
     
  11. dhellfox

    dhellfox The keeper of the Forgotten

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    now it would be funny (though pointless) if he could duo with ajax in v1
     
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