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Kazak schola an unofficial TAK guide.

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by MATRAKA14, Mar 16, 2019.

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  1. Alri

    Alri Well-Known Member
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    Kauri sentinels in Tohaa/Spiral and Hakims in Haqqislam have Medikid(+1B) not sure if there is more.
     
  2. NauticalSoup

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    Nothing in Ariadna or TAK though, sounds like. So it's fireteam bonuses or coordinated orders only.

    Good to know, definitely means there's still a job for a true doctor but probably not inside a core link team.
     
  3. Alri

    Alri Well-Known Member
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    For example in Rokot links you wanna have kazak doktor just to shot medikid with his BS 11 rather than Rokots BS 10.
     
  4. Axelius

    Axelius Not a Rogue AI

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    Duo does nothing for medics, the thing with the Dynamos is that they are for a minor increase in cost and a minor decrease in healing ability on most targets they simply gain a LOT of potential.

    In general I've come to the conclusion that Duo doesn't really do anything for the Dynamos, they already have the order efficency in their Impetuous, and the downside of that rule, not being able to take partial cover they already have from having bikes.

    That said, I now kinda want to have a Dynamo Haris...
     
  5. Bobblehead

    Bobblehead Well-Known Member

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    For the Dynamo duo:
    The Impetuous order is used to move the bikes and when thats done you link them up.
    You ride them up and then jump of the bikes to gain cover and start the with the shoosting.
    If you whant the duo or not depends on what your goal with the unit is but it can be useful in missions whit the exclusion zone rule.
     
  6. Stampysaur

    Stampysaur Wallace is my LT

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    Didn’t N4 change it to give motorcycles the ability to gain cover or am I wrong there? We could link them and keep them as fast boys
     
  7. McKaptain

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    Motorcycles prevent MODS from partial cover. Pg. 124
     
  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Dymanos are also now Impetuous, so no cover even when off their bike.
     
  9. NauticalSoup

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    Unless linked AND dismounted... right?
     
  10. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    True, seems like an edge case to me though, especially as you can't enter SuppFire and still be in a Fireteam.
     
  11. Stampysaur

    Stampysaur Wallace is my LT

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    thanks, must have been wishful thinking :(
     
  12. M0rk4

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    Today was off for me and I took time to watch the N4 TAK.


    I split my comments on two categories.



    Units I was expecting changes


    Tankhunters : I was hyped by the new 4-4 mov and expected a point decrease and why not give them HD. I am not certain what to do with them. I used to take the missile launcher as an ARO piece but he is now 5 pts more expensive. The great thing is the Lt profil losing his SWC.


    Vassily : I like him but I was also hoping for a point drop.


    Spetsnasz sniper : Why does that sniper cost so much ? And he has to pay for shok twice. I have the feeling that at 0,5swc he would be considered a bit more.


    Kazac doctor : I was hoping that he would get a role to play, maybe as a wildcard but he ended up in the FT that doesn't need him. Moreover with the change of medikits, the paramedics are as good as he is.


    112’s : blend him with the doctor, the secto doesn't need those two profiles and make him a wild card. About the motorized version i was expecting a drop cost


    Mul : Beside the 5pts option I never played any of them. Some new drone profils are amazing, a shame that ariadnas engineer don’t watch the competition


    Ratnik : SWC seems fine now, but they need a cost drop. They are slow, hackable, they can't dodge and the damaged version is weak. Even with their great choice of weapons I don’t know what to do with them. I would have loved an haris option or the ability to join a FT.


    Marksman rifles Strelok : I would have liked a drop cost, I like the idea but they are two expensive imo.




    Units I think were fine but were updated



    Dynamo : I liked them, they got cheaper and took the ultra mobile specialist role away from the motorized 112. Impetuous makes them order efficient but dismounting is no longer an option.


    Voronin : He was great and is even better: definitely a great Lt. Only downside, the new sixth sense version.


    Veteran kazac : They no longer have AP rifle or MK12 option. This is tuff. The swc drop on the HMG is welcome. Note that the rifle Lt options has a unique loadout and will be discovered by anyone who knows the faction.


    Antipode pack: They were great and are even better. Downside is apparently if you do something with the controller undoable by the wolves they are revealed. If anyone can confirm.


    Dog warriors : Cost drop


    Carmen : Even better


    Frontovik : Haris for everyone, a true ap spit, a Lt option and drop in points. What else.




    Overall I think that the N4 list won't be much different than N3.
     
  13. NauticalSoup

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    Do you mean to say you can't dismount them or there's just no reason to? As far as I can tell imp is optional and you can dismount them if you want. Also linking them disabled impetuous.

    Yep that's the consensus from the other thread, since the declaration is enough to reveal them even if they get forced to idle during the actual resolution. Kinda seems like an unintended side-effect but eh.
     
  14. M0rk4

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    I mean you can but it is almost useless :)

    Thanks for confirming !
     
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  15. Stampysaur

    Stampysaur Wallace is my LT

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    #55 Stampysaur, Nov 12, 2020
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  16. Axelius

    Axelius Not a Rogue AI

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    My big takeaway from that is that you have three attack pieces (the HMG Vet, HMG Spetsnaz and the Dynamos) in the same 9 order group, I'd move either the Dynamos or the Spets into the second group to spread some of the order love around.
     
  17. Stampysaur

    Stampysaur Wallace is my LT

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    I prefer to keep all my eggs in the same basket thank you!

    on a serious note, dynamo attack pieces are turn one, they will likely be lost by turn 2. spetznaz and vet kazak are not moving up to attack, they are there to handle aro pieces as necessary.

    group 2 has the spetznaz parachutist as an attack piece. though I think I could move another dude into the second group to share another order. but i am not a fan of the 8/7 split personally.
     
  18. M0rk4

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    Well, this is what I meant with almost
    Did you try it already ? It seems fun to play although I fear that it rely to much on the famous paire table/opponent.

    I also notice that your are playing the T2 strelok. Did you had success with him ?
     
  19. Stampysaur

    Stampysaur Wallace is my LT

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    I haven’t messed much with tak yet. But I am having a good enough time with the t2 rifle on wallace that I want to try the marksman rifle.
     
  20. goat90

    goat90 New Member

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    So I love the fluff and idea of TAK. Going to build a decent list for them is a different story! haha I get hung up on how to fill out my line kazak link team and how many Streloks/Vet Kaz/Tank Hunters I should take.

    Any advice for building TAK?
     
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