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Deployables - stat lines issues

Discussion in 'Rules' started by paraelix, Oct 23, 2020.

  1. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    The rulebook and Army both appear to be missing statlines for some deployables.

    CrazyKoala shows a statline only in an image inside an example, and nowhere else. WildParrot and MadTraps do not appear to be shown anywhere.

    Dazers, Mines, Deployable Repeaters have profiles that use Silhouette X - but Silhouette X has no defined base size in the Silhouette rules because it is supposed to be representative of a prone model of another Silhouette.
     
  2. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    The default for X is almost certainly 25mm, simply out of inertia.
     
  3. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    @ijw confirmed the other perimeter weapons are S1 and share a stat line like the fastpandas
     
  4. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    S X is good for prone, but I think they made a mistake removing the definition of S 0 as 25mm diameter base-height entities.
     
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  5. Lawson

    Lawson Well-Known Member

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    That's odd - I was actually looking into this the other day because it relates to the tokens I'm designing.
    One thing that's odd about the official N4 tokens is that the actually don't contain tokens for things like Fastpandas or Wildparrots.
    I noticed that the Fastpanda was S1 BUT I also assumed that the reason it was S1 is actually just because it is a glorified Repeater, which is S1. Since there's no actual token for a Fastpanda, if you don't have the miniature you'd just be physically putting out a Repeater token once the order has executed.

    The Wildparrot, on the other hand, is functionally an E/M mine once it's deployed. For all intents and purposes it doesn't need a special token and would instead by an E/M Mine token. But if it's S1 instead of SX, this would actually be confusing because you'd have to notate that the E/M mine is special and is S1. Likely not a big deal in general play but it does seem much cleaner to me to keep the size based on what the deployable IS once it lands rather than essentially its method of deployment.

    Something like a Crazy Koala I guess should have some sort of a token as well, since it's actually not quite like the Shock Mine it's based on due to its Boost ability. What is the expectation for how people represent these things on the table?
     
  6. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Wild parrots, CK's, FastPandas, and MadTraps all have official models that are all in the S1 range. I think Art Of War do some 2.5D acrylic markers for them too. I've been using acrylic repeater markers for my FPs due to not having the model which worked fine as all repeaters were S1 in N3.

    Generally I think most people would be OK with flat tokens (especially as Perimeter weapons no longer move) but if you were to make markers for them, an indication they were S1 would be a good idea.
     
  7. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    WildParrot is in the “mines” section of the weapons chart, like Drop Bears. I’m assuming it will be S 0 when the deployable profile errata is released.
     
  8. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    Also worth noting that Repeaters are no longer S 1 in N4.
     
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  9. Lawson

    Lawson Well-Known Member

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    Oof, that'll teach me to look stuff up in the wiki mid-transition to a new edition rather going straight to the book.
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    They were in N3? My god, the number of Repeaters I could've destroyed :(
     
  11. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    They were, I see it's still catching people out :P
     
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  12. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    They were defined to be 1” tall in N2 and were S 1 in N3.
     
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