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CHA in N4 speculation/suggestions

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by cazboab, Sep 29, 2020.

  1. Cabaray

    Cabaray Well-Known Member
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    I played with minuteman in a core and I think their good. Used the NCO AP HMG to great effect and with the Unknown Ranger in the link can go places. Break through a fire lane, get close and throw 3 light flamethrowers around a corner once you are there. I got my mileage out of them

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  2. AkiPL

    AkiPL Active Member

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    I just realized that Wallance do not have Frenzy anymore, that's a bug or pretty nice upgrade (alongside getting T2 rifle)?
     
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  3. Jukebox3113

    Jukebox3113 Highlander

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    Big changes I'm hopeing for. Some may be pie in the sky but if more than 2 were to happen I'd be happy

    Mormaers- 4-4 movement, +1B on T2 Rifle profile, NCO or CoC, replace pistols with chain-colts, NWI, Immunity (AP), Wildcard

    Grey Rifles- Special fireteam with Galwegians, and Volunteers. Haris, Specialist operative profile, Berserk, Rifle and x2 LSG profile be changed to Marksmanship Rifles and chain-colt (+1B), AP CCW

    Wulvers- Wildcard, add +1B to any weapon system, and be cheaper!!

    Volunteers- you guys are perfect dont ever change unless you want to add an FO Infiltration option that'd be great!!

    Let me know what you guys think!!
     
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  4. Drunkergnom

    Drunkergnom Well-Known Member

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    Scarface is hated by Highlanders. No way.
     
  5. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    To the point where back in TAGline they were the only human faction not to get access to Scarface, temporarily gaining the Anaconda instead.
     
  6. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    What's the background there?
     
  7. AkiPL

    AkiPL Active Member

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    We keep talking about Mormaers over and over hoping for them to be something special and not ending as Vet Kazak v2 or Kosmisoldat Jr.

    But what about Greys?
    You think they may get some nice tools?
    I really hope they keep their profiles with AP HMG, T2 Rifle, and T2 Boarding Shotgun. Some specialist on them would be nice: Forward Observer or less possible option: Paramedic. I would love to see them having NWI instead of Doged but well... that's probably also a wishful thinking

    In topic of Wulvers, as we already saw Cadin, I expect to see them being pretty similar. Well... Maybe without MA. For loadouts I think we will get the same as in N3 (maybe AP Spitfire instead of Mk12 or AP Mk12? that would be awesome).

    I don't expect Volunteers to change much. Maybe profile with CR and Light Shotgun will be changed a bit (to reduce amount of templates), I would love to get Missile Launcher profile but I highly doubt about this as CHA is on bench now.
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Scarface was part of the Druze when they were committing war crimes in Caledonia during the Commercial Conflicts.
     
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  9. Duringhzar

    Duringhzar Active Member

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    Very true very true, the poor Greys have been forgotten, I commented a little on them but... of course they don't need improvement as much as the Mormaers (If in the end it turns out to be a Kosmosoldat Jr, the other troops could always call him KosJu). NWI I think it's something that shock immunity should have anyway, but I think the important thing about them and my opinion is that they still get some CC, let's think it was a troop with CC18 focused on shooting, maybe divine bells ring and they put CC22 with MA1.

    As for their equipment if it is true that some specialist profile could suit them, although I think another thing that can suit them is that they are wildcard option (although this would suit the Mormaer better) and put OdA on them I think it would be to step on the Scot guard a lot. (Although an NCO profile would be curious for the Greys) so I think if they had a specialist profile it would be sanitary... or even a doctor, would be a surprising and pleasant addition. In the armament section I think they are very good but that the addition of a Spitfire AP or an MK12 fomo weapon term middle between Rifle T2 and HMG AP would also be of interest.

    Wulver theme I don't think they'll take away the MA2, I think they're going to be Cadin but just moving less inches when dodging and with AP weapon instead of T2, being their Berserk without modifier instead of Cadin's +3 to this ability
     
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  10. mightymuffin

    mightymuffin Well-Known Member

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    I'd love the Greys to get NWI as well, but I'm pretty much fine with their current profile options myself, (based on how they worked for me in N3). Can't see them getting Martial Arts myself, though a boost to CC20 might make sense.
    Any form of Specialist for them doesn't seem that suitable, but I won't turn down the option!
    In terms of weapon load-outs, I don't think they need changing at all; am happy with each of them.


    It seems likely that Wulvers will get MA2 as well, cos it looks standard for all units that had the "old" NBW. My guess is they'll likely get the same +3 MOD for Berserk as well, (to match their "old" Berserk skill), with maybe an extra point or two to their CC stat to compensate.
    Wishlisting for them, I'd love them to get Smoke Grenades as well as standard type; they're called "Grenadiers" after all, so it seems odd that the Greys have better access to Grenades than the Wulvers do!


    As for the Volunteers, all I'd ask is their old "multi-but-not-multi" Terrain skill just be split into separate Jungle & Mountain skills, rather than being forced to pick.
     
  11. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Greys are fine like they are right now for me. Is an autoinclude in almost all the CHA list, so they dont need to change. The rest of the units must, not the greys
     
  12. AkiPL

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    I wonder what they do with our Volunteers that have Light Granade Launcher, you think they got just "Granade Launcher" or they change that profile completely?
     
  13. Stampysaur

    Stampysaur Wallace is my LT

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    I feel like they will just get the grenade launcher. Its not like they will be very good anyway with out a +3 rangeband. I guess a die on 7 ojt to 24” could be niche, but i doubt it would come up in any of mu games.
    I agree, I do not think they should get nwi. I think mormaer should get that and the grey should stay dogged. Otherwise they will stay too similar. I could see a points drop for the greys though. Even though CHA doesn’t need it with 6 point volunteers.
     
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  14. Jukebox3113

    Jukebox3113 Highlander

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    Greys or Mormaers getting a Chain of Command option wouldnt be out of place though.
     
  15. AkiPL

    AkiPL Active Member

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    so Caledonia has landed:
    • Volunteers are almost the same as in N3 and got nothing extra in sectorial
    • Caterans are a bit cheaper now and got quite nice CC
    • Isobel is now just Hacker, and got her two profiles combined into one for a 24 points (T2 Rifle + Assault Pistol)
    • Scot Guards got Mimetism (-3), are faster now and pricier
    • Greys lost AP HMG, now they just have plan BS Attack (+1 Dam), but are even cheaper then before
    • Uxia has always option for Camo, Mimetism (-3) and Infiltration (+6), her MSV1 profile gets cheaper
    • Wulvers got AP Spitfire profile and AP+Shock CCW
    • Cameronians are cheaper, got +1ARM and few more points in CC
    • Mormaers are cheaper (not much), faster and got BS Attack (AP), Fireteams Duo & Harris, BS Attack (+2 Dam),

    I have kinda mixed feelings. Many changes are nice, but I feel kinda sad seeing that we lost AP HMG on Grays.
    I'm also nit sure what to think about Mormaers, AP HMG (Dam 17) or AP T2 Rifle (Dam 15) with X-Visor seems to be pretty awesome but... I was really hoping for some kind of specialist option for them or maybe some BTS.
    Guess I need to calm down and think out how to use N4 CHA.
     
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  16. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Mormaers with wildcard and/or NWI would be nice...

    But they did that... So, CHA, like N3, but worst
     
  17. Delta57Dash

    Delta57Dash Well-Known Member

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    Last I checked, Mormaers didn't have AP T2 Damage 15 Rifles in N3. Or an AP Damage 15 DTW. Or Damage 16 AP Heavy Pistols. Or Crit Immune.

    Anything that doesn't hit BTS is going to struggle mightily to remove them from cover, and AP T2 is going to absolutely murder anything it hits.
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    All that things make him more expensive... what is the reason for not picking him. And his poor survivality.

    Yes. ARM 5. But a single wound, no cube, still affected by AP... if i have to choose, i prefer a basic HI from other faction before the mormaer.

    A bad roll and you "awesome" is dead. Last week i played a game against invincible. My first order was shooting a linked volkolak HMG to something. 5 shoots at 15s vs 2 at 12s. He died. With only 1 ARM less than the mormaer and NWI+Total inmunity.

    Or Margot. 3 at 17s vs 1 at 9s. She died.

    I remember in a satellite. Mormaer T2 in haris. ARM 11 because booty and cover. He died from a focking COMBI.

    If i have to spend more than 35 points in something, 99% of the time i will choose wulver
     
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  19. Xince

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    I agree with mister @fari they still feel easy to kill.

    I played Kosmo recently and my Volkolak got shot and it felt not that strong (though NWI total immunity and Arm 4 and with cover).

    They are still strong in active turn with the burst, they will have to hide in réactive imho.

    Greys look Amazing on the other hand, sad for the AP HMG, but they are cheap enough and mobile that i can deal with it.

    I do have a question, i don't understand Cadin's Haris profile. Looked at sectorial charts and all and i don't see the use for it tbh, is it me or is it a mistake ?
     
  20. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    well, his primary function is make a full wulver core without using Wallace
     
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