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Hack the Planet! The Bakunin Jurisdictional Command Tactica

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by helsbecter, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    Mine too, it's so themtic and cool to have the three rockstars together :(
     
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  2. Greg

    Greg Active Member

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    so we can now link 2 wounds ODD, 6" moving, climbing plus, repeater with Custodiers hackers, Moiras (looking at you EM LGL) and Wolfgang (B5 Multi + CC beast). Sweet! Sounds like nice Core fire team which is not expensive for SWC, so it can still handle 2 SinEaters with HMG in its back ;) plus Morlocs everywhere :P I have a feeling this list gonna be cool and gonna have fun with it ;)
     
  3. Elric of Grans

    Elric of Grans Well-Known Member

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    I just read a really cool rules interaction that I want to share with you Bakunin players. ijw posted this in the Haqqislam forum.

    The way ammo works, certain effects are explicitly tied to a saving attribute. AP, for example, will either be 1/2 ARM (AP weapons) or 1/2 BTS (Breaker weapons), depending on the weapon. K1 and Monofilament are ARM=0. When you use Bioimmunity to switch which save you use, these effects do not transfer to the new save attribute. Zoe has Bioimmunity with BTS 3. If she needs to make a save against AP, K1, or Monofilament ammo, she can perform it with her full BTS. She will save against a K1 Sniper Rifle on a 10+ :P
     
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  4. Lucian

    Lucian Catgirl Nation

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    It's a nice feature but I have a feeling that when Zoe becomes a target of a BS or CC attack she's dead anyway, BTS3 or not. She's no Xeodron with 5/6 arm against everything.
     
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  5. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    Hey so pretty new to Nomads and exploring the sectorials. Wondering if someone can sum up whats good about Bakunin vs vanilla at the moment?

    I mostly just see AVA 3 Chimera packs lol, but can't even coordinate them due to the silly rules. Would 100% run that if it worked! Theres also obviously a Riot Grrl / Taskmaster link or a Moderator link with a Riot missile or something.

    Doesn't seem like much though. Not the biggest fan of expensive 1W models forming links and moving forwards! Sounds like food for the skirmishers
     
  6. Pflaumenmus

    Pflaumenmus Active Member

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    Hey it's just an inexperienced Bakunin player speaking here, so take my ideas with a grain of salt.

    First and foremost: Linked REMs and linked Clockmakers. So Burst 3 GizmoKit to repair your ODD 2 W Remote Presence or Pitcher Bot. In the two N4 games I have under my belt, it was really powerful and fun to play.
    Clockmakers are AVA 2 to.

    Secondly: Riot Grrls, as you said. Their price-performance ratio is excellent. Their resilience with Dodge on 16, 2 W, Shock Immunity, MSV1 and Tinbot : -6 is just great. AND Bakunin has access to Avicienna in a Riot Grrl link. So additional resilience here.

    I would say that links are well working in Bakunin in general. Wolfgang Wolff and Taskmasters HMG could be a quite potent Duo as well. Combining Moderators with Riot Grrls makes one of the best Bakunin Links cheaper.
    Thirdly: AVA 3 Zeros. They can perform various different roles and are dirt cheap. So high AVA is definitely a plus here.

    And don't forget that Bakunin still has access to many great tools. Bran Do Castro, Zoe&Pi-Well, Morlocks, Meteor Zond, Zero SWC Lieutenants

    Sadly I can't see Reverends as an actual selling point either. Although I would love to see them being. And Sin-Eaters.
     
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  7. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    BJC is (and as far as im concerned always has been) in a weird place. Traditionally it was morlock and moderator spam (which could be done better in vanilla), or RG pain train (which was done better elsewhere) with AVA 3 Zeros (you have more "zeros" in vanilla) leaving firmly in the why the hell bother space, where the majority of the lists didn't even make it out of the concept phase.

    With N4 the core idea of it's Riots or it's nothing is still incredibly pervasive but thanks to Mixed fireteam cancer it is at least much more flexible, but RGs are still the backbone of the list.
    Going off this there are a few modules to mess around with, dropping the RG ML into a moderator core (One of the few times in Nomads where the ML is a better option to the Feuerbach) to just sit on a roof and rule the table with either avicenna or a daktari nearby to pick her up if she gets KO'd (mod medic in the team also isnt bad at this either). There are two RG "haris'" that are worth considering first is a RG haris with a TM running point depending on the TM this can either be aggressive or defensive (Just take the HRL and do both) or a 3 member core with an RG and a pair of mods with the RG gunning up the table so the mods can just gank stuff in CC with bonuses.
    If you want to go full jank tank you do have the option of running an "RG Core" which consists of 1 RG and 4 TMs (though probably worth dropping a TM for avicenna).

    Additionally you have both solid forward elements in the prowler, zero and bran to support the RG teams and good hackers for info war support.
     
  8. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    I don't have much N4 playtime under my belt yet, but I feel like what Bakunin can offer over Vanilla is a wide variety of stupidly efficient little combos. It's going to take a long time to work out what really makes sense.

    For instance, starting with your moderator link:

    • Let's put a Riot Grrl ML in my moderator link, that's awesome.
    • Let's take a morlock to smoke her out when needed.
    • Let's put a paramedic in because it's only 2pts and can now reliably heal them both with the medikit.
    • My link is getting ganked, let's add a RG shotgun.
    • If I pay for the tinbot, my moderator hacker is cheap and awesome
    • They're so cheap, why not get two?
    • Let's get a meteor!
    • I'll put my clockmaker in a forward haris with a Vostok to support
    shit goes on and on. Not sure where it ends.

    The other advantage of new BJC seems to be that it can hurl a wide variety of violent units across the board. You play VS IA, you know what's coming - a core link of zuyong and some sort of fat guy in support. In Bakunin, it could be riot grrls with visors, it could be moiras with ODD, could be Vostoks & clockmakers, could be taskmasters, could be multiple Uberfall teams. You can vary so much more on the theme than before... this is what we get in exchange for no impersonators, crappy AD, and no super-premium units.
     
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  9. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Just counter gank by rolling the dodge(engage) and tag them with cc18 mods with -6 stun batons. Moderators can somewhat effectively slap the stupid out of something.
     
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  10. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    if I could produce 10's like that you can bet I'd be shooting instead
     
  11. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    The biggest problem to me with Bakunin (after general disappointment about Observance troops) is there's too much crazy wild cool shit I want to fit in the 15 troop cap

    Several Riot Grrrls
    1-2 Moderator Hackers
    Clockmaker
    Tsyklon
    Avicenna
    Vostok
    2-3 Zeros
    Bran
    1-2 Uberfall
    Zoe & Pi Well
    Vertigo
    Custodier
    Taskmaster
    And 4-5 Morlocks

    .. is hard to fit but all close to must take for me.
     
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  12. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    That is the problem I constantly run across. I make a great list and it's like 260pts
     
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  13. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Its only a 50/50 seems fine.
     
  14. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    Guys. How do you feel about bakunin after playing for a few months.
    I keep playing RG couple plus moderators.
    I am not impresed by Amedeus.
    Vostok is Fine.
    I never take taskmaster.
    I always take 3 zeroes. Always take one hacker at least.
    Prowler is cool.
    Moderator hacker is Fine.
    I always take vertigo zond.
    I take one morlock.
    Chimera is fantastic.
    I never take any nuns.
    I prefer daktari over avicenna
    I hardly take zoe and piwell. But they seem Ok. If zoe could be included in links i would take more often.
    These are my opinions after about 20 Games.
     
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    infyrana Well-Known Member

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    @Angry Clown Any reason you don't take Reverend Healers / Custodiers, could you give a little insight please?
     
  16. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    Very simple. When i use the points on something else, lists seem to me more competitive.
    Any nun haris are about 100 pts. Or more. This is too much for 1w troops. For same cost you can take a haris of Hsien hmg in else where. Dakini link in oss is about 100 pts.

    When ever i take nuns as a core or as a haris. I feel always stressed about loosing one member. But in core of RG. I can include a spare moderator and reform the link easily. Well this is nonsense ideas.
     
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  17. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    In comparison;

    Wolfy mc wolfface has impressed me (admittedly more in CJC than BJC but he is still solid)
    RG ML in a mod core can be down right oppressive at times
    vostok is a hard meh, though BJC is where I'd play it most
    Can't not build lists with out the TM, always took it before but now it links, which makes up for the koala change.
    I only take the dak over avicenna if i desperately need to make points, in which case I bypass the doctor entirely and go to the moderator medic.
    Custodiers I have found to be a must take (but there are a lot of visors where I am so that White noise is invaluable)
    Kusanagi is a great solo gunfighter.


    Which Prowler profiles are you leaning towards when you take them?
     
  18. Angry Clown

    Angry Clown Well-Known Member

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    I take spitfire. Because it is special with being a specialist and a real killer at the same time.
     
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  19. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    Tend to only take 1 Zero (KHD mainly or E/M mines dep rep)

    Prefer Avicenna to Daktari. Would prob Take Moderator paramedic rather than Dak (because it links)

    Often take Zoe & Pi Well (like Zoe for moving towards objective, pushing Zonds around, and Spotlighting all in 1 order)

    At least 2 Morlocks, sometimes 5.

    Occaisionally take Kusanagi, Custodier, Moira HMG / Sniper Haris for kicks & NCO.

    Otherwise pretty similar.

    You're taking Custodier AND Taskmaster? Lotta points. (and doesn't hide your Lt). Might try tho it's rule of cool.

    If Tasky could link with Moderators I'd take him but only going with Riots makes that link a lot more expensive, if good. I'd take it sometimes.
     
  20. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Not really, and the utility you get out of custodier is often worth it, and the TM is great at punching a hole in the enemy's lines (especially if you bait with the haris through a whitenoise zone to deal with MSV pieces) and holding ground, there's also enough cheap junk in the sectorial to offset it.

    It's at a point where I don't take a source of white noise I'm pretty much screwed.

    Its normally a haris of the TM (RF or HRL), avicenna and a RG (normally BSG+tinbot)
     
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