While the rules annex has information on how to handle troopers with Wildcard joining fireteams, it doesn't really cover having troopers who can join a "Fireteam of X" (in this case, say, Unidrons.) So I think everyone's in agreement that a fireteam of 3 Umbra Legates and 2 Unidrons is a legal fireteam. It's got *Unidrons*, it's got some troopers who can join a fireteam of Unidrons. Now, a fireteam of 4 Legates and 1 Unidron - it doesn't have "Unidrons," so in a sense can't be defined as a fireteam of "Unidrons," and thus wouldn't allow Legates to join at all. And then, of course, we have a hypothetical fireteam of 5 Legates - is it really a Unidron fireteam at that point? But it'd be cool as shit. So I know the rules annex is a work in progress, and I think defining these things a bit more clearly might be a good idea. Also, wondering if anyone from CB has a confirmation on how they intended it here.
The "Important" box on p5 of the Annex document makes it clear, you need at least one member to be of the original unit. So in your example 1 Unidron + 4 Legates would be fine as a Unidron team, Legate AVA notwithstanding.
Isn’t the obvious interpretation the same as for wildcards? I’m not sure it really needs clarification.
Considering that this would change a lot of the fireteam logic, including invalidating fireteams that were valid in N3, yeah, I think it could use a clarification. The other issue is the problem of the use of a plural noun here - do they mean that you need at least two of the base unit ("Unidrons") for it to count as a fireteam of them? If they had said "Legates can join Unidron Fireteams" that ambiguity wouldn't be there.
Would it? Wasn't that the same clarification they ended up making in N3? With the possible exception of "counts as"? Also the Fireteam chart doesn't include the ambiguous plural if that helps.
RAW, you can form a Core of 3 Unidrons and 2 Rodoks. What's that? Impossible, you say? Consider this! The fireteam composition rules are on page 13 of the annex. The rules for a Duo state, among other requirements, that "both members of the Fireteam: Duo must belong to the same unit, or those combinations of units indicated on their Sectorial Army List." The rules for a Core only state that "only those units specified on their Sectorial Army List can compose a Fireteam: Core." There is no requirement that the team members must all belong to the same unit, the way there is for a Fireteam: Duo. Unidrons and Rodoks are both listed in the Sectorial Army List as being able to compose a Fireteam: Core. Therefore, a Core of 3 Unidrons and 2 Rodoks meets the Requirements for a Fireteam: Core. Take that, Rules!
1. How does “fireteam logic” change?; a core fireteam consists of an allowable combination of 2-5 troopers, in this instance Legates may join a Unidron fireteam: core. 1 unidron + 1 legate is an allowable combination, the fireteam must contain a unidron to be a unidron fireteam. 2. There is no 2. C. N3 fireteams are irrelevant; this is Sparta... *ahem* N4.
The fireteam chart using different wording is even more confusing. What has precedence? And if they had made that change in N3, why didn't they carry it explicitly through to N4?
Um.. yes there is, under common requirements on p5. From what IJW has said since release the charts take precedence.
Because if you deliberately ignore part of the rules text, it doesn’t tell you what you can’t do? Another pass is only needed if you’re trying to cheat, and if you are, another pass won’t fix that.
Nah. The way the red box on page 5 is written seems like it only applies when a Wildcard trooper is involved. If they don't want it to have that implication, they should edit it. Luckily, they've said that's exactly what they plan on doing at some point in the future.
Nice! I missed that one. Still leaves the OP question unanswered, unfortunately. That page 5 rule says "some special fireteams can ignore this requirement," which supports the reading the a fireteam of Unidrons with Legates is its own type of Special Fireteam Core, rather than being a Unidron Fireteam Core with some Legates tagging along. Which would arguably mean that Legates and Unidrons are both "units listed for that fireteam in the sectorial chart" per the red box. Personally I think CB probably intended that it's a Unidron fireteam and needs to have at least one Unidron, just like in N3. They seem to have changed as little as possible of the fireteam rules, because they want to think about it later. So that how I'll probably keep playing it unless there's a ruling to the contrary, but I agree with @Hecaton (and @Mahtamori in the other thread on this question) that it's not actually clear in the rules.
It's specifically called out as being a "Fireteam: Core of Unidron Batdroids" in both Army and on the charts. There's definitely some ambiguity left in fireteam composition (mainly around "counts as" troops) but this particular example seems fairly straight forward. Although a clarification from CB wouldn't hurt! @ijw?
I'm not a fan of making the already slightly janky rules for mixed links different depending on how you mix the link. It should be that single unidron plus 1-4 more unidrons, legates or nexus in any combination up the AVA is a "Unidron" core in my opinion. Furthermore, the old N3 wordings of adding specific numbers of units to fireteams seems to have been completely replaced with "can be part of" implying that outside of the other requirements you can form however you like... That is however an implication only, and adding clarification that "can be part of" is to be treated like a limited wildcard to the red box wouldn't hurt at all.
As we're talking about Unidrons/Legates/Nexus it's also worth noting that this problem actually solves itself. As the only way to get someone into the team with the Fireteam: Core skill is to include at least one Unidron.
That's not the problem though, the problem is that there is a possibility to interpret the wording of "can be part of a core of [insert unit here]s" to mean the minimum is 2 because it says for example "BatroidS"...
Except that there is no Fireteam: Core skill, and it isn't a requirement of a Fireteam: Core that its members have any skill. Other types of fireteams have associated skills, but the Requirement for a Fireteam: Core is that the units be listed in the chart as able to compose a Core. Army shows units as having the Fireteam: Core skill, but Army is referring to a skill that doesn't appear anywhere in the rules.
