Dire Foes Rework: Haqqislam Edition

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Palomides, Mar 4, 2018.

  1. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    With the rumor that CB is looking to rework some of the older Dire Foes profiles, I've started to think about how this might look for our own faction. Leila is, obviously, the gold standard for Dire Foes and should remain untouched. She's a cheap toolbox specialist who can run solo (cybermask) or add some needed punch to a link team.

    So what would this look like for Yasbir? His signature holoprojector + viral CCW is pretty expensive for something difficult to pull off, but admittedly it is tremendously fun. How can we keep his core idea while remaking him for an N3 world?
     
  2. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    I think infiltrating Yasbir is in a pretty good place, Marker state, Smoke grenades, DTW, and solid CC capability is a great toolbox.

    The linkable version is less appealing, being little more than a Muyib with DTW, Holo1, and CC skills. I'd like to see something to really differentiate him like an unusual weapon letting you fake your opponent out better with Holo1 (LRL/Red Fury/EM weapon of some kind).
     
  4. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Yup, that's a good question.

    At this moment, he's a Specilaist Operative, MA3 Viral CCW, with Holoprojector (L1 or L2), he packs the standard Rifle+LSG, a Nanopulser, and in the Holo L2 loadout, Smoke Grenades.
    He has
    • a Fireteam-capable loadout (Holo L1, no Smoke Grenades)
    • an Infiltration profile (Holo L2, Smoke Grenades) who is no Fireteam-capable.

    Let's take it around, shall we? Yasbir is a (variant) Muyib-based Husam, who packs a CCW. Based on that, what could we make him, if we build from the ground up?

    Fluff-wise, he seems to be the comic strip character - a veteran Fiday & revered Hassassin training instructor. I'd prefer to build him as a crossbreed between a Fiday and a Farzan, then.
    So: Infiltration, and Camo (or Limited Camo), MA L3 and Viral CCW. I'm not sold on the Holoprojector in this case, and smoke grenades are optional. Not sure we need Nanopulser there, either.
     
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  5. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    I agree that the infiltrating version seems OK as is, although I don't ever really see myself reaching for it. But the linkable profile is extremely difficult to justify.

    Part of this seems to be that Muyibs are insanely versatile. What can he add to them? CC punch, sure. But that's not really needed. Other than that, they have all of the CQB or mid ranged options they could need. Maybe he could carry a viral sniper rifle? That would add some serious variety to an already nasty link. It's also the kind of weapon that really rewards holoprojector shenanigans.

    Edit: @Errhile That would be a nice, stripped down version of the profile. Maybe even superior infiltration to represent his experience?
     
  6. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Yasbir is pretty good, and the only change I'd make for him is letting him go into Lasiq Fireteams (and probably making Lasiqs a Haris rather than a Core team option). He adds CC capability to a Muyib team and that's something that is very much useful in of itself, with a Lasiq team he'd be a specialist and a CC expert which would mean the team wouldn't be boring to use, essentially (move, shoot, move, shoot, ARO: shoot).
     
  7. HardDisk

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    Maybe camo with superior Infiltration? i don't like the Yasbir right now, i don't even want to use he.
    Holo2 is not a really good defense tool and only infiltration leaves he at some weird places... he's too expensive for objetive duty, if you want a forward atk piece, a fiday is a better unit, and now, why use Yasbir instead Leila for linkteam?
     
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  8. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    After spending a few seconds on this, the only real "improvement" I would like to see is the addition of a camo profile.
     
  9. Sojourne

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    I hope they keep the L2 holoprojector on him actually. Makes it an interesting profile rather than your “typical” infiltrating specialist.
     
  10. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Addition.
     
  11. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    It might seem boring, but give him D-Charges. This would give him the ability to do a classified, destroy objectives and jotums in CC.

    If it should be more exotic...hmmm...Minelayer...would help the infiltrating profile to survive longer.
     
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  12. HardDisk

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    Yasbir definitely needs another defense layer besides Holo2.
     
  13. Cannon Fodder

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    The yasbir is not great as a link team member. As an infiltrator I find it's fun. I would add another profile with camo (perhaps just limited camo). I like the holo echos as mine/koala removal tool, but the holo echo 1 doesn't fool anyone in HB. In vanilla you can at least deploy as 3 Halqas for some shenanigans. But HB doesn't get any benefit. With camo you can at least do some shell games with a farazan. I also like the idea of minelayer or ambush camo. Just to drop more camo tokens in the infiltration zone.
     
  14. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Perhaps I've been using the Inflitration Holo L2 Yasbir in a wrong role, but I found that if I end starting second, Yasbir is pretty much a toast... someone is going to get there and shoot his butt off.

    Holo L2 is excellent offensive trick, but defensively, it isn't worth it.

    As for Holo L1... he can masquerade as soething pretty inconspicious. Still, I can't say I have found much use for him. He's a decent CC specialist, but he tends to have some problems getting into CC. And if he's to join an Asawira Haris, well... Asawira are, IMO, better in CC than Yasbir (mostly due to their resilience). a Muyib team rarely gets a chance to initiate a CC where it would be advantegeous to them.
     
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    This would be an excellent addition, great idea! He would really help make Lasiq links make sense, although I'd still prefer them to be a Haris. If only they could also add a Doctor...but that's just my usual Haqq instincts kicking in.

    I had thought about this in reverse, making Yasbir into a Lasiq with Viral Sniper who could link with Muyibs, but your solution is better. It keeps more of the current feel.

    Both of these ideas are also really solid. The problem with both is that they don't really add anything to a Muyib link. It already has mines and D-charges.

    I realize the mine suggestion was for the infiltrating Yasbir, and it would help there. But even then...he's already a lot more expensive than the Hunzacutie for a midfield minelayer.

    I sometimes run him in a link with an Asawira, just for extra CC punch. But you're right that it's not the optimal choice. Just kind of a cool one.

    The other problem with Holo 2 is that, if we really want it, we can just bring the Ayyar who is significantly more dangerous and not all that much more expensive.
     
  16. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Oh yes, D-Charges on Yasbir would add something good to the link...a model who can reliably use them in CC. Hitting on 23s is by far better than on 14s ;)

    And the Minelayer on the infiltrating Profile would add a lot of survivability in the midfield, without adding camo or Mimetism. Think about it, there is a guy with a shotgun on a building and he is covered by his mine and maybe a Daylami PF. The Daylami can be smoked, but it uses an extra order and the mine doesnt care. So this might be enough detriment, so that Yasbir gets left aside by the enemy and survives the reactive turn. E-Maulers would be even better. The the same like Mines, but you can also stop heavy targets much better. And when they are immobilized, plant a D-Charge:grin:
     
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    IMO that's the best shot for us to get Lasiq Core sort of fixed rather sooner than later, but there are problems with this idea:

    - Lasiq core will be a huge point sink that doesn't do much, albeit they will at least have specialist with this one.

    - Something that was pointed out to me since I suggested a similar idea: spec-ops characters normally don't get to link with units that don't have spec-ops profile based on them unless they themselves are a take on unit with extra link options (see nexus, hafza). This is something that can be ignored by CB if they want, but them not willing to do so with Rosie may suggest they won't.

    - I doubt this (unscrewed Lasiq Core) will happen without more Lasiq sculpts in production.
     
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  18. emperorsaistone

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    Another addition that came to my mind, is Sniffers and maybe Sensor. Both would give him a lot of utility.
     
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