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Tactical use of cmd-token, Camouflaged and suppressive fire

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  1. Tanan

    Tanan Well-Known Member

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    During his adversary’s first tactical phase, a player spends a cmd-token on a camouflaged trooper. Trooper bypasses order declaration procedure and goes directly to the suppressive fire state while still in camouflaged state?
     
  2. Rhys

    Rhys Active Member

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    No, because you follow the activation rules of the Suppresive Fire State

    One Trooper from that player’s Army List can activate the Suppression Fire State (along with their Peripherals, if they are a Controller), following the Activation rules of the State.

    And the Activation rules of the Suppressive Fire State say it is activated by using Suppressive Fire Entire Order.

    ACTIVATION ► The Trooper declared a Suppressive Fire Entire Order.
     
  3. Tanan

    Tanan Well-Known Member

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    Look, everyone knows what the RAI is in this case. The rules are poorly written. Entering suppressive fire state should also remove any marker states.

    However, you are opening a can of worms if tactical use of cmd-token counts as an order. For example, can enemy ARO against the tactical use of cmd-token because it now counts as an Order?
     
  4. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    No, because you can only ARO in the Reactive Turn.
     
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  5. Tanan

    Tanan Well-Known Member

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    Okay, so the tactical use of cmd-token really declares an entire order.

    So all nearby deployables trigger normally?
     
  6. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Why would this be a problem?
     
  7. Tanan

    Tanan Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily in any way. Just trying to play the game correctly.
     
  8. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    Ooh, that's actually pretty cool if minelayers can be used to deter forward-deployed troops from starting in suppression.
     
  9. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Because you dont declare an Order or ARO.
     
  10. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Some resurrecting on this question : do we have a final answer ?

    For example I have a speculo in Imp state deployed

    I use a cmd token to put it in suppressive fire state :
    - can I do that ?
    - does it stay in marker or is marker state cancelled ?
    - can the enemy react (ARO/mine/CK...) ?

    Based on the last FAQ :
    When making Strategic Use of a Command Token to place a Trooper in Suppressive Fire State,how does this interact with Marker States, nearby enemy Mines etc?

    The Trooper has not declared an Order, and will not trigger enemy Deployable Weapons etc. However, any States, Fireteam membership etc. that would be cancelled by declaring a Suppressive Fire Entire Order will be cancelled

    I would say Yes/No/No, do we all agree ?
     
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  11. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Aye, she can do it, it cancels her IMP state, but doesn't generate AROs or trigger mines/deployables. With the FAQ this is pretty clear now.
     
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