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CHA in N4 speculation/suggestions

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by cazboab, Sep 29, 2020.

  1. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    CHA is out in november, but we've got some units from Kosmoflot overlap, and a couple because... I have no idea why the Cameronians and 45th are in army 7, but they are.

    That leaves:
    • Volunteers
    • Greys
    • Mormaers
    • Wulvers
    The volunteers and wulvers are pretty simple, they'll probably just be straight conversions, a point extra for CCWs, maybe forward observer on a Volunteer...

    Greys are Ariadna HI. if you're Ariadna HI and your name isn't "veteran Kazak" you're used to disappointment.
    In theory they could get the regular rifle jacked up to APrifles and heavy pistols, swap dogged for NWI and gain Haris+duo along the lines of most other core HI, the main change they should get is having one Mormaer join the core instead of one of them join a mormaer haris. The greys are the clan Nobles, the Mormaers are the chiefs, one boss 4 bodyguards makes more sense than 2 bosses one bodyguard...

    Mormaers... NWI and you're good, maybe have a profile that has NCO to use LT orders without risking LOL or Chain of Command to replace a dead Wallace...

    Side not on Pavel: I don't think so. Pavel is *Not* Caledonian. he has a Scottish name, but he's Rodinan. Fusileer Angus has almost as much claim to join CHA as Pavel...

    That brings us to new stuff, and unless we're given Christmas in November in the shape of a tag, nothing we'll see in this form is predictable, so that's what I expect: Nothing.
    The obvious band-aid would be to just tab the Anaconda onto every Ariadna sectorial and walk away, but that option has been available, and suggested since tagline, If they didn't drop the hammer on it by now it's probably not happening. An honest to goodness Ariadnan tag(IE the fabled RM100) would be awesome, but its not likely.

    New character? Maybe, a Character Mormaer could resolve a lot of the unit's issues, especially if they had the right special fireteam options, but in general I think Ariadna is pretty well covered for characters...

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. BurningSky93

    BurningSky93 New Member

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    I don't think many minor tweaks across the board will really cut it. The sectorial probably needs a major re-work in play style to be viable in the 15 Trooper standard limit world.
     
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  3. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    Yes it does, but we can already see the galwegians haven't changed and have actually dropped in points, the rokots are a very good indicator of how the volunteers will be pretty much the same... Full rework isn't on the cards, but it is just barely possible that the HI can be reworked to paper over the cracks until CHA gets a full do-over in however many years it is...
     
  4. FlipOwl

    FlipOwl Well-Known Member

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    Having actually played CHA in Tactical Window format, I'd like to say that we will probably be all right with just the minor adjustments we've seen so far. I don't like that we lost the SAS lt, but hopefully it will return in its native sectorial.

    The thing is that we can build our lists differently now that we don't have to contend with other 20+ order lists, so we can focus more on our strengths in units that are good at trading up against high value / high arm targets. This in itself means that we are building in a completely different context, where many of our previously underused troops suddenly have more value.
     
  5. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    CHA might not have, it's possible that the LT will be only for the sectorial the same way Druze etc get extra options in their home list. The stuff the SAS are missing are the rifles and snipers. The sniper rifle on a CC-oriented unit in a space based list like Kosmo, yeah i can see that being superfluous, but the threat of B3 from a rifle can occasionally make your opponent call a dodge rather than shoot at a Forward Observer. Submachineguns would fill that role nicely IMO, as well as let the space faring SAS look like the classic operation Nimrod loadout, complete with a giant maglight flash pulse...
     
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  6. Cthulhu Fhtagn!

    Cthulhu Fhtagn! Active Member

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    Since Mormears have the toughest Infantry Armor on Dawn (as far i remember the fluff) how about giving them Immunity (AP) or Immunity (Crit) to double down on this fact?
     
  7. FlipOwl

    FlipOwl Well-Known Member

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    I agree on the exclusion of the sniper. However, I might be the only one, but I really liked my SAS rifle loadouts, and ran the Lt in practically every list, so I will really miss him if he's gone for good :(

    On the other hand, I hope they will add a few interesting profiles, and I get that they wanted to create space for the Scots Guards profiles, so I am still optimistic...
     
  8. AkiPL

    AkiPL Active Member

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    I keep my finger crossed for Mormaers, they need to be better, they deserve to be better.
     
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  9. holycannoli

    holycannoli Dancing to Kazak Kalinka

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    Now that's an idea I can get behind, keeps their distinct flavor as a slighty different vet vs"just give them NWI."


    Stop! I can only get so hype!
     
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  10. Duringhzar

    Duringhzar Active Member

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    A new character for CHA would be fine and I don't deny that having Pavel or even Wolff would be, even the Mormaer character but ... If it was pure CHA, Scot guard would do it .... Everyone knows that Wallace is the CHA figure par excellence and the "moral" leader but ... What if we include the political leader as well? Yes, I'm talking about El Justicar. What better addition for Caledonia, it would even be logical for it to have a chain of command like "don't worry Wallace has fallen but I'm here". You could even reflect your position of power with a Lieutenant +1 token profile

    The Mormaer is Ariadna's heavyweight, the heaviest unassisted troop of any kind (you don't count Kosmosoldat, you're hackable), plates of pure Tesseum and surely entire clan savings in one man. Which should be reflected in an NWI, shock immunity and AP immunity, a Wildcard could suit them and ... Who knows even another weapon profile (Spitfire AP) with an obvious reduction in points

    The gray should also go a couple of points down and maybe move 15-5 like the cosmopolitan IPs, raise the CC to 20 or 21 and even if it is MA 1, profiles fine and I agree with AP Rifle for the normal rifle and even profile Spitfire (without AP to give the Mormaer more weapon exclusivity) or even defensive profile with missile launchers or T2 sniper

    Volunteers needs profile of forward observer ... For asking I would also like a sniper but ... With the first I would be satisfied

    Wallace and Isobel OBVIOUSLY wildcards, Cadin more debatable but those two must be yes or too

    Wulvers ... It is where I have the most doubts, they can leave them in NBW and berserker in exchange for a few discount points, make them Volkolak style and be 1 NWI wound and total immunity or be a version of Cadin but with MA 2. Maybe in armament MK12 + 1 burst, T2 Rifle +1 to damage, CC attack +1 to damage ... Heavy shotgun +1 burst or damage too ... Cheaper profile equipped with chain rifles with for example +2 to burst?

    Minelayer profile for SAS, something exclusive Caledonian as it happens with the Strelok in TAK

    Duo of Cameronians (haris is too much right? Hahaha), McMurder counts as Cameronian
     
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  11. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    I think piling the immunities on could be a bit much, an AP imune NWI mormaer would be about as hard to kill as a Jotum... while I'm not actually against it, I don't think they'll let us have that...
    Wallace's fireteam requirements not including LT has to be a thing, even if it's not full wildcard.

    Wulvers(and Cadin by reverse-extention) are in an odd spot right now, they don't seem to be shock immune, but even if they are , the Volkolak is still more durable mathematically, thanks to total immunity, and wulvers with total immunity would be several steps too close to full fledged dog warriors...
     
  12. Cthulhu Fhtagn!

    Cthulhu Fhtagn! Active Member

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    Where Mormaer already NWI? I didn't know that. If that's the case i think a Arm5 Immunity(AP) and NWI would be tough, but vunerable to shock... which would counter balance the Unit, i think. If not, just dont give them NWI? How about dogged?
     
  13. AkiPL

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    in N3 Mormaer already have V:Doged and usually watches the play from the bench due to being 4-2 movement and much more expensive than Greys (Grey with AP HMG was 0.5SWC and 8 point cheaper and have smoke), those 2 more ARM on them was not enough.

    So besides being cheaper, what in Ariadna is not always true (some units in N4 gets more expensive) they need something to make them appealing, Immunity to AP ammo and NWI would be really welcome (and movement 4-4 at least)
     
  14. korva

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    I've just accepted that Kosmo is CHA 2.0 and that my beloved sectoral from auld lang syne is dead.

    My bet is that whatever adjustments we get in Nov won't keep us competitive in the long term anyways, so I might as well start adjusting to the new stuff now.
     
  15. Duringhzar

    Duringhzar Active Member

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    Obviously Wallace must be able to link whether he is a lieutenant or not and maybe being Caledonia he has to have something extra besides his inspiring leadership

    The Wulver is as you said, they are at a strange point, but 5 years have passed and who knows what could have happened to them, just as time has welcomed them more in society and now they have a more central role ... But looking at Cadin would choose me why they will be the same in statistics, with a little more CC perhaps, berserk, NBW and MA2, I hope they leave them well in N4, wait to see
     
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  16. Cthulhu Fhtagn!

    Cthulhu Fhtagn! Active Member

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    I wouldn't count on the 5 year thing... thats just PR blubber from CB. I mean: 5 Years and nobody in USAriadna decided to upgrade some of our troops with better equipment after multiple armed coflikts with other, better equiped forces?
    - Marksman Rifles? Nope.
    - Minelayer (if not on a Foxtrot, how about on the BSG Marauder with AP Mines?)? Who needs it.
    - Tinkering with the Blackjack for better performance? In Coca Cola's name! Are you crazy?!
     
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  17. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    I hope(but I am prepared to be wrong... ) that USARF wasn't changed much because they're on the list for a do-over on the 'planned but not announced' page in their diary, so probably 12-18 months of the current mediocrity is the minimum...

    If CHA and MRRF don't see substantial changes given the additional 6-8 weeks that'll be harder to put up with though...
     
  18. McKaptain

    McKaptain Well-Known Member

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    I also think Mormaers should I be about the size of a Mowang. And shoot lightning out of their eyes.
     
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  19. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    "Thor"maers?
     
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  20. Stampysaur

    Stampysaur Wallace is my LT

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    With the changes already made to some of the troops in CHA I think CHA is going to be fine and fun. I made these with ready info, obviously points may not be accurate on release. also the groups arent really sorted.

    CHA theorycrafting

    Group 1 (181 pts) 1.5 swc Specialist
    volunteer 6pt
    volunteer 6pt
    volunteer 6pt
    volunteer 6pt
    Grey 35pt, 1.5 swc
    cameronian 20pt
    cameronian 20pt
    cameronian 20pt
    Mcmurder 27pt
    wallace 35pt

    group 2 (108 pts) 0swc
    SAS FO 21pt
    SAS FO 21pt
    SAS FO 21pt
    SAS FO 21pt
    Uxia MSV1 26pt

    total 289

    CHA theorycrafting 2 murder 300pts 4.5 swc

    Group 1 (209 pts) 4.5 swc
    wallace 35pt
    volunteer 6pt
    volunteer 6pt
    volunteer 6pt
    Grey 35pt, 1.5 swc
    Cateran T2 23pt, 1swc
    Cateran T2 23pt, 1swc
    Cateran T2 23pt, 1swc
    cameronian 20pt
    Mcmurder 27pt
    highlander 5pt

    group 2 (91 pts) 0swc
    cameronian 20pt
    cameronian 20pt
    highlander 5pt
    SAS CR LS 20pt
    Uxia MSV1 26pt

    total 289



    I like the dogs............



    woof
     
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