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Military Orders. A word of hope.

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Daireann, Sep 6, 2020.

  1. atomicfryingpan

    atomicfryingpan Well-Known Member

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    Bruh that was literally pano's specialty especially NCA even before the bluffs it got near the end of n3. It's not hard at all to leverage our durable effective gun fighters linked up in the active turn. Pano might not be able to do everything but you can be damn sure we can shoot our way out of a problem.
     
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  2. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    hmm not sure, I had a look at the Hospitaller Haris a ew times, Deltakilo is definitely keen on it (though more in SWF)

    I think if you want midfield you are still reachin for the Stapples, HD Minelayers (yupo MO gets one now for stupid cheap) and shotguns+Auxbts (peacemakers)

    The beauty of the peacemaker is its predators are less likely (warbands that can trade cheaply) and its repeater plays into our Hackers (new lease on life given the santiago and the changes to hacking/defersen)

    Edit: honestly I think its hard to ever not run a Knight core, you can get a really stripped down variant with a Tuetuon gun, Magister pair, KHD and OS paramedic. in N3 that wass a good way to push max corpses, in N4 I think it may let you fit a haris of Hospitallers in. a Haris HMG with its own doc (infirmarer to keep cost down) and a core of tuetons/magisters to push, is a tasty list, with panzerfuasts for long range ARO in a pinch
     
  3. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    No Inuitive Attack on Shotguns? Huh that was half the reason to like them (well a fifth you don't really get to use it that much compared to Discover+Shoot on high BS Shotgunners).
    Just assumed they had it since every DTW (and deployable DTW) just had it till now. Might by a bug, might be intentional. Gonna have to double check at home.
     
  4. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    DTWs like Nanopulsers or Chain Rifles got intuitive trait, but shotgun blast mode does not have that trait. Guess it's unable to shoot intuitives :(
     
  5. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Infirmarers cost 25 points while Konstansos costs 24 points and and is a specialist MSV 2 wildcard in N4. I think Konstansos is a better wildcard for keeping costs down in fireteams unless you desperately need a doctor in the link.
     
  6. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    Doctor being able to cleanse Stunned state from troopers with W attribute, I think you would need one.
     
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  7. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Ah, that is a very good point. I just pains me to take a unit thats so poorly optimized.
     
  8. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    What I like with him is you can take a BSG or a Combi, depending on what your link is lacking. He may not be 100% optimised but I don't think he is paying more than 3 points for the extra stuff he carries. And Mono CCW is a scary thing for any unit wanting to go into melee with him, since -12 in CC is now very hard to reach.
     
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  9. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Crusader Brether: now they are back into the MO sectorial. What is the point of Chosing Combat Jump and not Parachutists?
     
  10. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Parachutist has to deploy in contact with a board edge outside the enemy DZ, Combat Jump can land anywhere.
     
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  11. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Oh! I missed the part of "contact with board edge" !
     
  12. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Sure, nice if you get first turn. Problem is that probably the list will fold easily if going 2nd, as single KoJ won't be able to block the full access to DZ.

    And due to changes to SS, dismantling the link in close range (especially with smoke) is much easier.
     
  13. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Hmm, oddly enough, this might be fun.

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  14. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member

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    I want to point out that for actual recovering wound purposes a hospitaller might be better off shooting his medikit than doctoring.

    If the hospitaller is in range and in big link thats 2 medikit shots on 20s, so cant fail to land it. Even if it's still in a 4 man 17s are very solid odds.

    Then now that it's a straight ph many of our knights heal back on 14s vs his own wip of 13. The way medikit has been ruled as long as you get any success the target is healed. So unless you absolutely need the piece and have 2 extra comman points to reroll a failure twice, it is better to shoot with medikit and get two automatic chances on ph 14
     
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  15. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Never tell me the odds!

    Lets gamble if I can leave DZ!

    Well that better work on a fist try (probably should as it has ~78% chance of success against linked Kamau), but one of the guys will probably die, and hopefully enemy ARO is not a template (otherwise getting different angles on all guys might be problematic). So yeah, quite far from "reliable" tool (especially it will be probably the only one).

    Which goes again to a fact that for some reason other factions while having solid and diverge tools (lets say CJT with Raul, Perseus's smoke) while still having better odds on "shoot their way out of DZ" with a brand new Kriza with mimetism and full link bonuses.
    Go go Kriza
     
  16. SpectralOwl

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    This is gloriously PanOceanian, and I love it. Who needs Doctors when you have Ballistics Skill!
     
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  17. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry mate but i always use some comment to clear my mind on thing i'm not sure. The 20 BS is for the bonus of a 5 fireteam + short rangeband, while 17 is only for the short rangeband right?

    But why this should be better than Using the Madikit in range contact? Because we can make 2 rolls (so 2 WIP rolls) that are better than one? And reroll one of that if all fails with command token?
     
  18. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    if you use medkit in b2b you only roll one roll, as you use the medkit only once. And you roll on target's PH due to using medkit (in opposition to rolling on active model's WIP if you have a proper doctor).

    If you happen to be in a link giving you bonus to burst (usually 3+ people), this way when you shoot the medkit you may shoot more of them, and probability of passing on of PH rolls (which are quite high for most HI) on rolling 2 medkit rolls is usually high enough (so you need one success on 2 dice rolling on PH13/14 (usuall for HI)).

    Hope that is clear.
     
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  19. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    Almost clear, so basically if I succede with at least one PH roll (aka i do not faill all of them) i recover a wound.
     
  20. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Correct, passing either or both rolls recovers one wound, this is a change from N3.
     
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