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Impact template placement

Discussion in 'Rules' started by kghamilton, Sep 28, 2020.

  1. kghamilton

    kghamilton The_Omnishambles
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    It seems to say in the rulebook that impact templates (from a missile launcher for example) are always placed on the ground to determine who is affected.

    But what happens if you are shooting at a unit who has taken cover behind a 1" high barricade, and on the otherside of this barricade, is another trooper, prone.

    From what i can tell is the template wouldn't affect the prone trooper since the blast focus hasn't got LoF to it, even thought the template clearly covers them?

    Cheers
     
  2. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    The Blast Focus will be under the target's feet, so the wall will block the template.
     
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  3. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    There is an example of just that on page 51.

    CoverTemplate.JPG

    Edit. Re-reading the question specifically a bit closer. Not quite the example applicable, but why waste a perfectly good screenshot?
     
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  4. kghamilton

    kghamilton The_Omnishambles
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    Haha! Yeah the picture explains it in part. But seems a bit odd to me that were a trooper prone IN FRONT of that barricade, then they would not be affected.

    Realise this is a particular example but Id just like clarification as it does have several implications for shooting

    Another example is something large, like a TAG standing next to a 2" high building (no parapet) with friendly trooper prone on top of it. If you shoot the TAG with a template weapon, the prone trooper is not affected as the template is placed on the ground, even though you can only see the very top of the TAG
     
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  6. Blakhart

    Blakhart Well-Known Member

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    So am I understanding the new Impact Template rules correctly in that to place the actual template, we have to left the model(s) and scenery (within the templates area) off the table, put the template flat to the surface of the area where the underside of the bases are?
    Just want make sure I'm reading this correctly...
    (Reposted from facebook)
     
  7. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    In practice, hardly ever. It might be required in rare edge-cases.
     
  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Reposting from FB

    If you can't place the physical template without moving terrain etc then you can measure to see if anything is within (60-base size/2)mm.

    You could also print additional templates and cut them into wedges to check situations like this (some partners make acrylic tools for this)
     
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  9. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Well-Known Member

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    I used my 3d printer to print some clever template. I'll show you some example, give it a try (even on plastic/cardboard if no 3d printer available).
    Perfect for 2.5mm base, i found for 40mm too.

    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2944652
     
  10. Blakhart

    Blakhart Well-Known Member

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    But its still the fact of either I make some weird ass non template template ( thats not mentioned in the rules as being "a thing" ) or I left up models and pieces of terrain in a game of exact measurements.
    It is what it is just seem to go against the direction of the new game system.
     
  11. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Our just hold the template above and look down?
     
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    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    What did you do in N3 when someone was standing next to a building?

    That's not a sarcastic response, by the way, but a request for information.
     
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  13. Blakhart

    Blakhart Well-Known Member

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    I would take the template and center it over the model and above the building that was "in the way". Eyeing the models through the template if it were clear or just eye what I could. If I couldn't see the whole model from above the template, then it was touching or fully covered by the template.
     
  14. Blakhart

    Blakhart Well-Known Member

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    But the rules seem to suggest you can't do that anymore...
     
  15. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    By placing it over the top and looking down you're essentially rendering the tabletop into 2 Dimensions and concepts like "above" and "below" cease to exist.
     
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  16. Blakhart

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    Unless you are doing a side view, haha...

    No, I get what your saying and I agree but I want to follow the rules that everyone will use... which should be the whats in the rulebook. The rulebook says in the center of the underbase, as opposed to the traditional center of the model.
     
  17. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    But you used the exact same method in N3 by your own admission, N3 required you to "place" the template within the silhouette template so a physical template would interact with terrain.
     
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  18. Blakhart

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    Ah... I didnt know it had to be in the silhouette, haha. I rarely saw anyone do that if terrain didn't allow.
    Okay, so I guess ignore my rant.
     
  19. ijw

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    Aah! I think I completely misunderstood your worry.

    No, you don't have to move everything and physically put the template under the target, just like in N3 you didn't have to somehow have the target model and the template coexist in the same space at the same time.

    This is about where the Blast Focus is, for working out who is affected.
     
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  20. Blakhart

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    AAAHHHH... lol, okay awesome! Sorry for the posting. Just seemed SUPER janky to do that.
     
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