[April], come she will...

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  1. Balewolf

    Balewolf It's all opinion

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    Don't get close to any historical WW2 games I guess.
     
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  2. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Or one could, instead, also take up arms against other problematic troops in Infinity, instead... or (in what seems like the simplest solution) separate fiction from reality and carry on...
     
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  3. Red Harvest

    Red Harvest Day in, Day out. Day in, Day out. Day in, DAY OUT

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    This guy looks like he has a Flumph on his head.
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    Dear CB,
    The meme is 'duck on your head'. As RPG players y'all ought to know that. Tsk, tsk.

    Kempetai. Yes, nasty. Unit 731, unparalleled evil. Shiro Ishii would have appalled even Mengele if it were possible.

    Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night. Apparently even a War Criminal, General Yoshijiro Umezu, realized what it was and cancelled it. The money quote: "Germ warfare against the United States would escalate to war against all humanity."

    But I came here to mock a silly looking mini, oh, and the Geisha with the kitty and the suitcase. Is the suitcase a submachinegun briefcase, or is it stuffed full of space yen to bribe officials?
     
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  4. saint

    saint Charming, but irrational

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    nah, this is what she's carrying:
     
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  5. micawber

    micawber Junkship Jockey

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    What sectorials do we think are in the Uprising book and will we get another big overhaul and rebalancing of older profiles like in Human Sphere?
     
  6. Del S

    Del S Tunguskaball

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    Well, uh... Druze and JSA, I guess?

    We should hopefully learn more next week, I mean, they wouldn't release a book and not tell us what's in it, right?

    Right?
     
  7. Shiwen

    Shiwen Commissar, Yu Jing Political Work Department

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    What do I think is in the book? Druze, JSA, White Star/Kaplan PMCs, maybe some other dramatic-defection-afflicted sectorial, everything directly tied to Nonaligned. What do I want in that book? Invincible Army and Helot Libertos.
     
  8. Monkeysloth

    Monkeysloth Well-Known Member

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    Helots would be awesome but considering a big part of the delay of new Tohaa as well as Silvs are their non-human design (doing the concept art and modeling for the base dolls is very time consuming) I really don't think we'll see them.

    There's supposed to be a bunch of NA2 "paper" armies as well, basically armies\lists that use existing models only. I'd expect White Start and Kaplan to be part of that.
     
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  9. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    WW2 Historicals don't attempt to wash over history. Producing these models isn't what's bad taste, producing these models then pretending they're the good guys is what's bad taste particularly when this part of history's dirty laundry is still going through the process of being resolved in the diplomatic sphere.
     
  10. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Must have missed all those historical games where Gestapo are portrayed as freedom fighters I guess.





    Not.


    I can see it now: "the Nazi forces, long being held under the repressing boot of the evil authoritarian forces that humiliated them with the draconian Treaty of Versailles, are fighting an unbalanced war of liberation against the oppresive states of France and Poland to regain their rightfully place in the world... no longer will the honorable and proud people of Germany be denied the basic rights stolen from them!! No longer will their honor and dignity be stomped upon by those Allies evildoers!!"

    Wonder why nobody has done it yet, that wouldn't cause an outrage or something...
     
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  11. Monkeysloth

    Monkeysloth Well-Known Member

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    So this guys is starting to grow on me some. I think If I remove the horns then the helmet would be just fine. Though I'm not loving the pads on the arms ATM.

    The issue that's been at the back of my head is we're so use to seeing sleak HIs with N3 that seeing something that's bulky and over armored looks off but at the same time I'm actually happy this doesn't look like the current wave of YJ\CA\Nomad designs.
     
  12. Agorapocalypse

    Agorapocalypse Namurr and Nahab are girlfriends

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    Is it just me or do the 2 section 9 troopers look quite different. Maybe its the paint job or lack of close up, but the Missile guy looks more armored up like he has power armor of some sort maybe, whilst the other looks more like a light infantry without many armor plates or artificial musculature cables/hoses/texture/whatever they are.
     
  13. stargorger

    stargorger Well-Known Member

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    Two major things:
    1. Why do they keep doing the rice-farmer hats? WHO likes that look? Uhg. Barf. And regardless of whether people like it, I'd prefer it at least be used thematically...those hats were used by peasant conscripts. Can we stop putting them on heavy infantry??
    2. ENOUGH with the pop-culture sculpts. I vomited a little when I saw the Suicide Squad morlocks. Now we have Durarara and GitS. Inspiration is fine, but direct copying is just either laziness or greed. I'm trying to assume the best and go for 'laziness', but...uhg. I foresee a dark future where EVERY unit in Infinity is just an expy of some random pop-culture character and the game basically devolves into Super Smash Brothers: Miniature Edition :\

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    Why is her lower half so much bigger in scale than her upper half?? I get wanting to sculpt thicc women, but that just looks like poor sizing...
     
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  14. n-sphere

    n-sphere Well-Known Member

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    Every cultural group of humans did bad things in their past. All of them. Not one single group is innocent.

    Stop attempting to score victim/ally points by throwing stones when every last culture lives in a glass house.

    Oh, X cultural group has skeletons in their closet. How profound and woke. Not one single person here noticed JSA had tones of Imperial Japan with all those military Bushido elements to the faction... Can you examine some water and tell us all if it is wet or not.

    This is a game where you can field political prisoners that have been lobotomized and fitted with explosive vests. Worlds with intelligent alien life are colonized by human factions, and those aliens are subjugated.

    Groups of humans do good thing and also do bad things. That makes them human and interesting. If you want a safe space, go play a different game. Most likely a boring game with factions that are boring and fake.
     
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  15. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    "Nothing is offensive because everyone has done bad things!!!!" is an impressively stupid argument, so good work there I guess.
     
  16. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    Well this is a SF game. The fact it is closer to the real world than 40k doesn't mean it's more realistic.

    Real kempeitai did horrible shit. True.
    Wanna talk about US army in Vietnam ? (And model in USariadna ?) Wanna talk about the french army in Algeria or Napoleon ? I believe zouave were a Napoléon Army unit. And the Spanish suffered a lot from it so they know.
    Samouraï followed a doctrine that would be considered nice compared to fascism (read hagakure for example). Knight orders did the crusades. Not a good memory.
    History is a complicated things. And infinity bus not an historical game.

    If you are going to get inspiration from real world doesn't mean you have to portray it realistic if you clearly say this is a fiction. We should make a clear distinction between these.

    And btw who said Japanese secession army is going to be the good guy ? Aren't these guys going full terrorist attack against yu jing population ? Maybe they will portray themselves as freedom fighter for their people doing horrible shit (just like real imperial Japan).

    And eventually, calling a whole country a dick should get you a ban. That is racism man !
     
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  17. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    I think that the problem is that it is maybe too close to people we don't know that much here, in Europe, and that we don't understand what this means for them. Yes, it is a SF game but I get what they say anyway. I think that this would have not be as fun to Spanish people to have Falange units in, let's say, ASA. The fact is, in contrary to us in Europe where Germany decided to be a good friend with the rest of the Europe, Japan and China are still fighting together in a not-that-cold war partially because of those crimes. And I think that doesn't help the game to expand in Japan, Korea, China...

    As for all those clichés and kitsch, yeah, I find this a bit boring too. Reminds me Japanes Empire in Red Alert 3 with Steel Ronin and King Oni...
     
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  18. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Seems extremely popular nowadays. Everyone did something bad, everyone is bad, thus there's no big difference beetwen good and evil as every "good" is at least partially dirtied with evil, and every evil had some "good" (pfff intentions mayby) in it.

    This way of thinking has some "hilarious" repercussions.

    Friking new age thinking.

    Where's Mr Thursday when you need him....

    Aaaanddd here we go again...

    It always amazed me that people think that nationality is a race.

    Or had you forgot to call them fascist racists ?
     
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  19. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    History is some rough shit. I have a history degree and I specialised in genocide, crimes against humanity and that sort of business. Rough shit indeed.

    But at the same time, there is such a thing as a "law of practicality." Most stuff, once it's a while ago, you can get away with drawing on for inspiration without too much trouble. But there are some topics where you have to be careful. One of those are things like, you know, the IJA military police who committed numerous atrocities against people whose immediate family are still alive and well. It's not that far away from a lot of people, and when you portray the Kempetei as being heroic revolutionaries... yeah. It looks bad.

    On the other hand, I do hope that the JSA will not be portrayed as quite so shinily heroic as might be suggested. A culture which has been re-organised on classical, chauvinistic concepts of martial honour and bushido will probably have its fair share of brutality and unpleasantness, as it did in the past. And that is very Infinity, to ensure that nobody is squeaky clean and nobody is pure evil through and through.
     
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  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    There's also something to be said about drawing inspiration and lifting stuff wholesale like CB has been doing increasingly frequently. There's been a lot of creative inspiration drawn from past atrocities without going all out on it, particularly Nazi Germany (the Empire in Star Wars, anyone?).

    On a lighter note; I found the line about "protecting our people" particularly funny when it's about reviving old Feudal Japan.
     
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