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Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Jul 15, 2020.

  1. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    They are going the way of the Exrah? That's strange because they are almost integral to foreign company. Hopefully just a haramaki/tanko makeover so they are easy to proxy.
     
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  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I think it's safe to assume they're getting renamed and redone, which is technically an Exrah. I'm expecting the new unit to be Bolts Reimagined with a story hook of how the regiment got a reassessment and stuff. Probably for reasons that do not at all align with what some players think of the Bolts (whom are actually really good in the actual universe)
     
  3. Janzerker

    Janzerker Well-Known Member

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    Actually I'm expecting a few PanO units to be axed from the roster. Bostria warned months ago the current rosters needed to be trimmed to make space. So no need for replacements.
     
  4. Ephrilune

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    Thanks, didn't get that one
     
  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I don't think they'll actually axe much. Axe them from production, yes, but axe them from having a profile - while I think that's needed - is not something I think they really want to do. Might be because they don't want to face the absolute shitstorm that some of the forums will kick up, or it might be that they don't see a point in axing their profiles so if they can axe their SKUs. After all, what harm does Acon Regulars cause simply by being a Aconticimiento Slightly Modded Fusilier?

    Though I do think they should truly axe most of NA2 to make room for more actual real factions in there. Like just press Delete on Dahshat (which I play), and all the other uninspired NA2 mercs. White Company is a landmark for Infinity? It's even more Invincible Army than Dahshat!

    Japanese Secession was a landmark for Infinity. Yeah, it screwed Yu Jing over, but it also created one of the most inspired, best balanced, nail hard, and interesting sectorials in the game. Ultimately, if they had continued down that path this is a great thing to happen to the game. Like how cool wouldn't it have been for the game and for faction identity if they decided that Military Orders as a political entity would be operating independently from Pan-O under more direct control of a Papal authority that got more active in human affairs because of the existential threat of the aliens - the perfect NA2 sectorial and the perfect excuse to reshape Pan-O away from their heavy infantry bloat as well as diversify the existing Knights?

    I'm going off on a tangent. Don't think they'll axe Bolts fully. Particularly due to the Cosplay miniature.
     
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  6. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Yeah they're not going to cut Bolts, and the English-language editor has confirmed that he hasn't seen them cut. The overreaction here has been pretty amusing.
     
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  7. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I mean what kind of reaction did you expect was going to happen when a CB staff members says they're getting axed?
     
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  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Bostria called me a nobody :(
    He said nobody was using Sniffers and I used Sniffers. (As high risk low reward tactic as they were, I didn't use them too much)

    Jokes aside. Listening to the Mayacast episode and apparently HMGs SWC value for HI is fairly universally dropping to 1.5

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    Bostria said "Bolts are disappearing" and immediately after "the only thing I have hear is that they are not featuring in the files right now" after which they started speculating jokingly about how Bolts would be written out of the fluff. I think it's fair to draw the conclusion that Bolts were actually disappearing, but I think it's irresponsible to keep spreading that interpretation after IJW, the English language editor, stressed that it's the latter part about not featuring in the files right now that we should take away from that.
     
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  9. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    And yet, if Bolts are not on the files and the game envoy said they are disappearing, there are more reasons to think they will be axed than not, so I'd say the response was 100% justified. Nobody has said yet if they'll be added come November or not, so as far as we know there are no Bolts in N4.


    Disclaimer: I really don't think they'll remove Bolts, but the actual info we have right now points to it.
     
  10. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Sniffers are great, they're just on really sub optimal carriers for the most part. Only times I ever deployed a sniffer is when I was using Kanren.
     
  11. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about the response, but the conclusion that Bolts were being removed was entirely justified. That said, we have a bit more information now thanks to IJW, so no, I don't think it's justifiable to take it as canon that Bolts are being axed any more.

    A bigger take away from that interview, by the way, is that one of the factions has two versions and will start out as one and end up as another (in 2021). Particularly for these forums considering the plot line of Mehmut - though I'd think it's more likely to be a CA faction or Ariadna

    Never actually ended up using the Kanren. That profile had a huge drop in utility (no specialist, no real ability to pretend to be another profile and no strong area denial using MadTraps) only to put a single Sniffer on the table in a decent spot. Chaiyi were excellent at dropping them on the table, though Yu Jing AVA made it harder to get good utility out of it. I'd Coordinate them to move forward and drop Sniffers covering most of the mid-table and since Chaiyi are fairly good order monkeys while Weibing are key to making use of Sniffers in the first place, it was actually a at a fairly competitive price compared to trying to do it with Kanren.

    Well, that and the fact that you'd need an EVO hacker to do it well and the human EVO hackers are terrible all made the investment quite high. Many a Shinobu were killed using that tactic, never the less.
     
  12. wes-o-matic

    wes-o-matic feeelthy casual

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    I’d prefer that Sniffers remain, but not as deployable sensor “repeaters;” instead just let Sensor units treat the ZoC of an allied model with Sniffer as an extension of their own, exactly like a built in repeater but for Sensor rather than hacking skills. That way you still have the option of sweeping up the board and performing Sensor checks, but the number of places you can cover at once goes down, the order economy improves, and the rule parallels hackers, repeaters, and hacking area more closely.

    Also, the idea of an ISS trooper sending some sniffer REMs out like a wave of hunting dogs, positioning them, then pinging their ZoC remotely to see what’s there before they move on sounds thematic as heck—as does a sniffer bot getting blasted by some concealed unit in ARO when it’s about to be discovered anyway.
     
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  13. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Wait, Bostria made a joke that translated badly before getting to the actual point and folks panicked? I can't believe it!
     
  14. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    And again, the only thing confirmed is Bolts aren't in N4, so why shouldn't people react to that?
     
  15. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I use that profile in Sun Tze SML meme lists. You hold both the Kanren and the SML back as reserve deployment then catch people with their pants down. Caught alot of prime targets with that.

    If you're going second and Holo it as something not important people tend to forget that there could be a Kanren lurking near them with a sniffer and get complacent when they kill the Chaiyi.
     
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  16. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Fixed that for you.

    Yeah... I've been considering something along those lines, but ultimately it just seemed so order inefficient and I usually struggle to retain orders for objectives so it's never really seemed like a good idea for me to use such order intensive tactics as attack pattern.
     
  17. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Depends on your mission. Not every mission requires orders to press buttons, some like Supremacy the buttons are a much lower priority than just trying to clear roof hugging camo markers to get points out of zones. In Supremacy, Targeting and SMLing roof huggers is actually your main objective.

    Great for objective room missions too. Easy way to blow an otherwise aggravating target out of a room.

    But yeah for other missions like Supplies it's shite.
     
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  18. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Do you have any info or clue at all about Bolts being added later? Maybe they'll add Exrah while they are on it? Maybe even Squats?
     
  19. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    as there appears to still be some confusion, Bolts have not been removed from the game.
     
  20. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    SML was always a backup approach for me... like if your heavy hitters have gone down or there's an ODD guy on Spec Fire that would be even riskier/less efficient to dig out otherwise. I liked having it as a "Plan C."

    That said, with Spotlight being easier in N4... might be time to make that Plan B instead. It often fit into a 10/5 order group split for me anyways, which also fits Tac Window well.

    Bummer about losing Sniffers making Sat-Lock more difficult against camo troops though... no more flashbots also being able to spread your Sensor web easily. I used it occasionally, darnit!
     
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