B1 for DA ammunition in Code One. It is assumed this will carry over into N4. The Noctifer thing was pretty much a joke, I think.
I think he's joking about the Noctifiers, as for MSRs they're burst 1 for DA in active turn IIRC. Basically relegated even further into purely ARO duties for the weapon.
Ewww, wtf is the point of the multi sniper then? Why are they 1.5 SWC still if their offensive power has been completely neutered?
If that change stays in N4 then it needs to be fixed. At most Multi Snipers should cost 1 SWC. Man, the few factions in the game with access to a Viral Sniper Rifle have the only strong sniper left in the game. I have no idea why they felt a need to nerf an already kind of weak weapon. Hopefully its just some code 1 nonsense and N4 has them back to burst 2 DA.
Unlikely. Code 1 is a building block, rules are added not reversed. @Mahtamori any idea why the HRL Hundun is missing from C1? My first instinct was circular blast template but the Yan Huo is in there.
Thats really dumb then. Why the hell would they nerf multi-snipers? They were weakish weapons already. They are certainly not worth 1.5 SWC now. Whos play testing this game?
The same people who thought the Hulang was gangbusters and didn't need smoke. This might be news to you but CB's inhouse testing group isn't very good at the game.
For the same reason that most infiltrators in code 1 are stuck with their hacker profile only for a specalist option except the Razor that has its FO profile changed to specialist operator. Heres a question, why not do that for all the infiltrators in code 1? Oh, I am well aware that the playtesting for Infinity is quite poor.
I would argue that I do not underestimate the Marksman Rifle, but riddle me this; why would I take the 31 point Hundun instead of the 34 point Kunai? The latter can fight in melee admirably and has the capacity to move around quite well if need be relocate as well as imposes stronger MODs on the opponent which is typically more important as the typical prey for these rifles do not tend to have Mimetism. There is also very little that a Marksman Rifle can do from Hidden Deployment that a HRL can't also do while also threatening grouped enemy movement, simply by being stubborn about when to drop camo. I guess my core point is that the Marksman profile is by far not cheap enough for me to currently see the value of. If this profile had been 21 points Bostria voiced that as an opinion in one of the N4 videos. (Underline, italic, bold so that the casual reader do not miss that this was an opinion from a person who does not have rules design authority and not a portent of things to come.) Although I might have the wrong end of it and that the opinion he voiced was that they should lose TO Camo. Either works, tbh, to take the edge off the power spike that they cause. And as Owl wrote, the Multi Sniper is going down to N3's equivalent of "Light Multi". I'm not joking, but I'm not going to die on this hill let alone waste breath climbing it. They've been overpriced for years, IMO, unless we're talking about specific units able to stack advantaged. Regular Snipers are decently priced for their performance.
I'm yet to get a game of C1 in thanks to the fun times going on around the world, but in C1 Hackers, especially ones on Infiltrators, are actually pretty good. The SWC cost is the main reason not to take the profile, if it's available, and Spotlight as an ARO seems fantastic.
Oh I missed the bostria quote. I'm assuming it was from the long stream? Maybe it gets cheaper. I'll play it if it's considerably cheaper.
IIRC, he voiced it in the White Banner profiles video. Same one where he said they'd have Hidden Deployment in N4. We'll see about the price. I do think it'll get cheaper because I think all special ammo rifles are going to get cheaper, but I'd not expect more than 1 or 2 points cheaper. Now, I've built several lists where I have 5.5 SWC and some 20 to 35 points left that it's possible to fit this in if I downgrade a few weapons here and there, but this profile will never be anything but the last profile I add to a list.
Well, with this change I forsee multi snipers being far less used in N4. They are just not worth 1.5 SWC. If theres a better ARO you can use, then use it. Again, I'd be a bit more ok with this change if multi snipers dropped to 1 SWC. Man, those with access to Viral Snipers have it damn good now.
Multi sniper will still be as effective in ARO, especially in fireteams. Compared to a missile launcher you lose a lot of damages but have much better rangebands. Compared to N3 you'll lose a lot of versatility, which hurts, especially for faction who used their linked MSR for lack of better option in some domain (Haidao sniper in IA anyone?), but the MSR are still usable. But with total immunity being all over the place in N4 ammos are going to be irrelevant anyway
Useless and overpriced are two different things entirely. ;) Let's not bait TI ragers, okay? We're perfectly capable of destroying a conversation without the help of Total Immunity derailing it.
Wow. First time seeing that sniper nerf, and I absolutely agree that it is entirely unnecessary. At best, they were niche tools, at worst, making the best of a mediocre weapon on a good profile without better options. Unless they get a steep price discount, I'm going to have a much harder time fitting those into lists now, and they already didn't have it easy. It also doesn't help that Yu Jing seems to get an abundance of native troopers with MSRs, tied with PanO for most in the game.
Those (Multi Rifles) I've heard are getting less expensive. I can't find a profile that I can show it on, but I hope/think they're going to be +2 points instead of current +4 points compared to a Combi. Multi Snipers seem to not be changed in price nor SWC at all (ref.: Kappa N4 profiles)
Apologies that I am going to be playing devil's advocate here but I do think the Marksman rifle Hundun is fairly costed. MSV1 (in N4 can see through smoke) is valuable and BS13 means it cannot be modded enough to auto-miss. Those are pretty attractive reasons to me although I fully appreciate that a 1 in 20 chance to hit something are terrible odds, it ought to be quite rare that is encounters a shoot-out at -12 if you deployed in hidden deployment. The Hundun also has enough ARM & BTS to have better than 50% of surviving a hit when in cover against most weapons. I also like B3 over B2 any day. Suppressive fire is still a thing. I can't defend the .5 SWC cost and would also like to know why it suffers that. I agree with the general disappointment about the downgrade to multi-sniper rifles. They didn't need a nerf but we can just hope their cost has gone down (both points and SWC) to reflect this. I can see the logic behind it though since most 'multi' weapons had to go burst 1 to use the ammo type that forced multiple saves. (DA on rifles and the HMRC and EXP on the MHMG.) So I can see it as a change for consistency rather than trying to downgrade them. (Unfortunately it has the same result but again, lets hope it's reflected in the costing.)
