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N4 Changes

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Triumph, Aug 10, 2020.

  1. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    This and the biggest problem for Hulang has always been the relative ease by which they are neutralized through repeater placement and favourable AROs due to predictable attack paths they have to take. Any changes to repeaters will also be a significant change for the Hulang.
     
  2. Anonymous

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    I’ve Always wondered why, Pitchers and Jammers don’t consume SWC, They should.
    The fact that they don’t was a massive gameplay balance overlook.
     
  3. Space Ranger

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    If they gave them a higher BTS or native Tinbot B it would be a little better. I'd like a bit more variety to choose from. Just 2 profiles? Similar troops like Nokkin has 6, Heckler 5, Prowlers 4, and Mukhtar 5. How about a Spitfire? One with Limited camo? Minelayer? Heavy Shotgun!!! More diverse CC weapons too. So much potential and I feel like they gave up.
     
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  4. Weathercock

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    Yu Jing design philosophy in a nutshell.
     
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  5. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Every time I think about what a huge letdown IA has been after all the hype and the hope after Uprising... So much squandered potential just to then see the ideas presented gone to other factions/units improved and without the random weaknesses they saddled IA with
     
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  6. Sedral

    Sedral Jīnshān Task Force Officier

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    On hacking, looking at the glimpse of N4 rules we've had so far I'm a bit worried.

    Considering they nerfed jammer and they buffed oblivion while making it available to pretty much all hackers, to me it sounds a lot like they only heard "jammer are broken" + "hacking is useless" and simply fixed that without considering that the isolation mechanic is way too strong, too binary, and that the only reason oblivion isn't considered a threat by a lot of players is because KHD are so ridiculously good at their jobs you barely see AHDs anymore.

    I remember the pre-HSN3 meta before KHD even existed, and let me tell you it was NOT HI or TAG friendly. Not at all. Hacking was ridiculously oppressive back then, and if they didn't do anything to adjust isolation itself early N4 might very well be even worse.
     
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  7. Anonymous

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    Maybe CB should just finally bite the bullet and just erase every “faction army” from the game except NA-2.

    And also Invest in the whole OP of the month scheme that made WoW and other games so succesful.

    (this of course needs a software programmer worth their salt, considering how erratically and cinically fast does CB make new Releases without addressing the faults in their own game)

    I mean, that way they can tailor their way around every single buff rotation cycle like WoW did, meaning: You buff the factions you want to sell models for and nerf the ones you obviously dgaf about if they sell or not.

    Come on guys at CB, it’ll be just like Aristeia! You’ll just wing it like usual and people will be amazed at your shit eating grins on cringe worthy Youtube videos.

    So, just be honest for once, and say “we are hiring software engineers to meet the demands of the players we shit upon”.
    Rant End

    Anyways...Back on to the topic at hand...
    I do have to pitch in my voice with many of you guys who have pointed out how HI pays way more than it should, except in one case.

    The BlackJack: Sure it’s got Battle Ravaged and Heavyweight shenanigans going on, but that guy is Hackable and is the only HI in the game to ever receive a Discount for the fact it is hackable and bricked by E/M.

    Buffing Oblivion was perhaps the worst possible solution for Hacking, the real issue with Hacking is how it lacks any real depth or lasting impact in the gameplay itself this is in fact the issue of ITS Scenario design.

    You usually bring a hacker when you need a specialist or unlock remotes (which many are specialists), Giving buffs to certain troops in the list is a god send, however this is overshadowed by the fact that KHD is so ridiculously out of proportion and also Wide Spread, First thing to fix would have been fo exchange AHD SWC cost with the KHD Cost or have them cost SWC both.

    Now specialists need their own way to achieve objectives, FOs are very nice as they are already.

    Paramedics...are a joke.
    Hackers...if it’s KHD you’re good.
    Enginerds...cool and actually useful in doing it’s repair job.
    Doctors...this game is a high Lethality game, why are they even in this game again?
    Chain of Command: it’s ok.

    Isolation needs to be breakable, certain troops downright Immune to it if it’s to be any kind of not OP.

    Then again there are mor Hacker Sculpts than other Specialist Sculpts so this might be working as intended.



     
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  8. Benkei

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    I think you can reset out of Isolation now?
     
  9. Amusedbymuse

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    Even if you can, you only have one try at it due to isolation (you can't even try it in the same active turn you got isolated if that's the case) and considering you are most likely still in hacking area it's gonna be f2f.
     
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  10. krossaks

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    Well rhe Haidao + tibot 2 will ne more mandatory than ever. I don't see it as a huge deal.

    Also IA has one of the few linkable smart missile launcher. I really want to see how the indirect fire system will go
     
  11. Mahtamori

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    Can't use fireteam bonuses with Guided ammo, and I doubt that will change.

    I think Hacking vs HI can best be described like this;
    Hackers have pistols and HI can't shoot back. Having ODD in this setting is nice and all, but if Hackers are to be upgraded from pistols to shotguns then maybe HI need to be able to shoot back somehow?
     
  12. krossaks

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    Is not for the bonus itself, if for the chance to have the smart missile launcher in game. Even on N3 there are good spots to shot a guided missile, if you have the rem. The issue is that at the moment, nobody pick it beacuse alone by itself is a very poor SWC inversion. In IA as a linked rem with hacker upgrade is a decent ARO piece that sometimes may shoot guided. If spootlight gets buffed I think IA is in the good place to use it.

    And well yes is the tinbot is a DDO but with a KHD haidao in the same link is a very strong combination. If hackers become more comon we simply will need to put a haidao on every link.
     
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  13. Mahtamori

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    Son-Bae is fucking awesome! The missile launcher version is typically better than the guided missile launcher, though the 0 close range bands on the Guided version can really surprise your opponent. With Assisted Fire this little devil is basically BS 15. I would say if you don't play with the Son-Bae in links then you should probably do that the next few games just to try it.
    It kind of needs the Core bonuses, though, so I'd advice against putting it in a Haris or Duo.

    They've unfortunately already fixed the Haidao thingy; Yu Jing Wildcards are max 1. I would have two Haidao per Core in all my IA lists otherwise and the Haidao Engineer would see use a tiny bit more. Unfortunately the trade off between MSV2 and KHD is a tough one to do. That said, Shang-Ji AHD is actually capable of pulling some great odds versus KHDs if you're in a team with a Tinbot.
     
  14. krossaks

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    I'm very aware of the linjed Son Bae. My main ARO piece.

    Really they said that the Wildcard is just one? Beacuse in every ofical tournement i go, some with testers as players or refrees people use max wildcards
     
  15. Mahtamori

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    Sorry, let me be clearer; max 1 per wildcard unit ;)
    I do think there's been an FAQ about it even.
     
  16. Willen

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    The actual Army text is super clear: "up to 1 HaiDao can join any Fireteam of this Sectorial Army."

    The SonBae is so much better than the Zanshi ML it is not even funny.
     
  17. Space Ranger

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    To mitigate that leathality. Especially in missions that need points on the table. What piss me off is that YJ only gets one doctor no matter what flavor you play and at WIP 13. While Haqqislam has Total AVA at WIP 17. Whoever came up with Doctor Plus is an idiot. I know some guys are down on doctors but i've lost many a game because a doctor came in and healed a guy to hold/take an objective or put the points back on the table. I wish I could do that with my super expensive heavies. Well I do in Dahshat but that's not the point. While in my head they are YJ, they are not though.
     
  18. Brokenwolf

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    You do realize that Doctor+ was given to Haqq to give them resiliency, right? They don't have that much heavy armor and usually can't win straight gunfights. They win by doing the objective and draining orders. Doctor+ helps with the second.
     
  19. Benkei

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    Please don't shit on Haqq. They are, after all, the doctor faction, and the LI faction, and the NWI/Shock Imm/Non hackable faction, while Yu Jing is the... what? HI? Nah... CC? Neither... sorry, I got nothing
     
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  20. Space Ranger

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    Yes i do but giving them a +3 when they already have a higher than average WIP of 14 was not the way to do it. Also the fact they can have multiple of them. I also have not seen this not winning strait up gun fights. I've had plenty of Jannisaries and Khawaraji, and now Muhktar, kick my ass.
     
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