N4 Changes

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Triumph, Aug 10, 2020.

  1. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if thats a typo. Its odd they would nerf the Jujak so soon after its release. Has anyone asked if its a typo?
     
  2. Anonymous

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    Guys, Here’s a fun thought, Kan Ren on Suppresive Fire beginning turn 1!
     
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  3. Mahtamori

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    I wonder if that will cause them to cancel the state...
     
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  5. Triumph

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    If the current wording stands for cancellation it requires them to declare a skill, which I don't think is happening because otherwise that'd provoke AROs?
     
  6. Mahtamori

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    I would expect the current wording of Suppression Fire not to stand, otherwise you'd be able to put a Camouflaged trooper into Suppression without breaking the state.
     
  7. Triumph

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    Hmmm yeah that'd be fucked up
     
  8. Amusedbymuse

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    Considering that this is something you use as second player, you are the one to declare aro's so as long as this ability is worded as some sort of pre game order then nothing has to change. Unless both players can use this, then something has to change.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    Perhaps you will be able to be in Suppresive Fire Mode with the Holoproyector, at least until you declare Shoot as your action...furthermore it would be cool if the same applied to camo troops, however having to set down the SF token besides the Camo Marker which Holds the Troop in said State.

    As far as I am aware SF was a State and not an attack, entering the state during an order was considered an attack action, however using Warning! You could change your facing without breaking the SF state, if any of this holds somewhat Similar I don’t see why not.

    I mean, you’re still spending a Command token per trooper in SF mode, along with the Command token for order denial you can quite possibly overdo it to your own hazard.
     
  10. Mahtamori

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    I think you're discussing something different than what me and Triumph has been bouncing around. We're discussing whether it's possible to deploy a trooper in holoecho, over a wide area, and then putting that trooper in Suppression without breaking Holoecho state or if the rules might prevent that. This is not something you'd be able to do using regular orders (we presume).

    In either case, why do you think the active player using this command token use might cause an issue?
     
  11. zapp

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    Did anyone mention yet that Extreme Impetious is gone? Our KuangShi would not run towards enemy lines with that (if no other changes).
    Pretty big deal!
     
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  12. Benkei

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    Impetuous now runs for the enemy DZ, and it's possible you can't choose not to use the Impetuous order if there is not Extreme Impetuous anymore (kind of a throwback to N2)
     
  13. the huanglong

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    We know there is only one kind of impetuous, do we know for sure if it's the voluntary one?
     
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    I don't think so. They did say that Extreme Impetuous is gone and gave some info on how Impetuous movement works, but they did not for sure say it was voluntary to do it as far as I can remember.
     
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    If they kept the voluntary one Impetuous means very little, and Frenzy almost nothing at all. I really hope they didn't, but all I'm seeing about N4 points to them doing it.
     
  16. Triumph

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    Given the new relatively constant cover it does mean it's the most likely way a unit finds itself without the cover bonus.
     
  17. Benkei

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    Cover means nothing if you keep your Kuang Shi holed up inside a building tbh
     
  18. Triumph

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    Depends on what your tables look like. Frenzy on Jing in conjunction with gaining elevated cover will be something you need to play around assuming Frenzy continues to exist.
     
  19. Death

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    Will the Hulang find more used in N4? It can start in suppression fire mode now.
     
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  20. Weathercock

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    Maybe?

    Depends what among everything else ends up changing. They'd still need to see a fairly significant point cut, in my book.
     
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