Too early for August?

Tema en 'News' iniciado por Melkhior, 1 Jun 2020.

  1. Kraken1130

    Kraken1130 Well-Known Member

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    The issue with just shifting the balance is that you run the risk of over-correcting and resulting in elite units becoming the showstoppers as opposed to hordes. To make a palatable balance that favors hordes and elite units equally is very difficult, if it's even possible at all.

    Ignoring the flavor of Infinity being about small scale action carried out by small teams (though I think that's important to game design, but not everyone shares that view), since competitive design is so integral to the DNA of Infinity and is a large strength it has, so long as either hordes or elite units have even a modest edge over the other you'll see that type of unit/list dominating over the other in competitive play and back and forth the pendulum of hordes/elite will swing.

    The model cap, while not only injecting a bit of setting-based flavor, forces you to view not only points but also combat group space as a resource. It means hordes are more effective, but will take up slots that can go to their more elite comrades as well and now you'll see space for units that weren't ever used before. Lists with maximum cheap template weapons, impetuous warbands, remotes, etc. weren't interesting. Streamlined and effective, yes, but not interesting.
     
  2. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Ok, having seen the concepts and renders for future troops now I must say CB knocked it out of the park. I might not like how they do rulesets, but miniatures are great like 90% of the time
     
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  3. Modock

    Modock Well-Known Member

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    Same here, the designs are phenomenal. There's not a single design or mini, shown today, that I can say is mediocre let alone bad. Incredible work CB!
     
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  4. Deathwig

    Deathwig Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't able to catch the stream is there a thread where everything that's been shown is being catalogued?
     
  5. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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  6. Deathwig

    Deathwig Well-Known Member

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    Thanks fari!
    Some absolutely delicious looking stuff there
     
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    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    popping in to say the Wildcats look like they always should have and the Evaders/Invaders whatever are fantastic.
     
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  8. Melchior

    Melchior Well-Known Member

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    Awesome thanks for the Images @fari
     
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  9. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    Has the latest video been dropped yet?
     
  10. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Just went up on YouTube
     
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    Usashi Well-Known Member

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    A lot of sweet stuff. Even Tohaa got something :)

    Is Ye Mao ITS exclusive?

    Why release another Adil just few months after Dire foes pack? I must say I prefer crane armoured version but the pose is a bit awkward...
     
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  12. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    To tie in with Betrayal.
     
  13. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    So just watched the video, the art is beautiful but I was hoping for profiles and rules...
     
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  14. Lucian

    Lucian Catgirl Nation

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    Oh, my god. This redneck monstrucker is incredible. I hope there won't be an idiot that suddenly sees hate messages in it.
     
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  15. Hiereth

    Hiereth AI Artichoke

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    I worry about the new Haqq tag having shock immunity, while hoping it is just misprint it carries some concerning implications that really go against a lot of the N4 decisions they talked about. Like most things I guess all we can do is wait.
     
  16. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    All Multiwound units and units with STR have Shock Immunity in N4.

    What are your concerns about it?
     
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  17. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    I guess his concern was there were exceptions
     
  18. Hiereth

    Hiereth AI Artichoke

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    My guess based on current information is that something like Viral or Monofilament are no longer proper ammo types, and much like the way Koni was describing plasma they are a mix of ammo effects to be easier to read. So Viral presumably would be bts DA shock, meaning it can no longer dodge shock immune. I didn't realize we already saw it on the kosmonaut( right he's one wound that's why I didn't catch it there.), the other worry is that not all HI would get it but if it is standard it helps.
     
  19. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    They said during the stream it’s a typo.
     
  20. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Thanks! Yes, there are far fewer ammunition types, with a lot of N3's types being replaced by ARM/BTS Saving Roll Attributes, and some weapon Traits.

    For example you can already see Monofilament CCWs in CodeOne, they don't change noticeably in N4: https://infinitythewiki.com/index.php?title=Melee_Weapon_Profile

    And in the Rifles you can see that Breaker Rifles are just AP ammo and roll against BTS: https://infinitythewiki.com/index.php?title=Weapon_Chart#RIFLES

    Viral weaponry works exactly as you said, DA+Shock ammo against BTS. So Immunity (Shock) now works against Viral.

    Plasma weaponry is slightly different, they have Normal ammo but the Saving Roll Attribute is ARM+BTS so you make two Saving Rolls per hit.


    That was the Fraacta's WIP increasing after Transmutation?
     
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