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Too early for August?

Discussion in 'News' started by Melkhior, Jun 1, 2020.

  1. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Spanish anime fanboyism.
     
  2. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    Well, genre is complicated. We could argue all day about what cyberpunk "is", I'm sure it's meaning isn't fully defined, just like any other genre label. So if, for you, cyberpunk means something that doesn't include Akira, that's cool.

    But FWIW, the Wikipedia article on Cyberpunk asserts, right in the intro, that "The Japanese cyberpunk subgenre began in 1982 with the debut of Katsuhiro Otomo's manga series Akira, with its 1988 anime film adaptation later popularizing the subgenre." So there's that.
     
  3. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    To be fair, Infinity does have some cyberpunk elements as well. PanO and Aleph/Nomads should be really on the nose examples.
     
  4. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    I'd go with "Western anime fanboyism".

    Key bit there is "the Japanese cyberpunk genre".

    The bit you left off:
     
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  5. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    No, it called it "the Japanese cyberpunk subgenre." As in, a subgenre of cyberpunk. Wikipedia literally cites Akira in the same paragraph as Neuromancer in its introduction to cyberpunk. You can't seriously think that Wikipedia isn't calling Akira a cyberpunk work.

    But, who cares? You don't have to agree with Wikipedia. Cyberpunk can mean whatever you want it to mean. I think you'll be in the minority, but it really doesn't matter.
     
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  6. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    Right, and the bit that you left off is:
    Cyberpunk is a broader genre, which was established before the manga Akira in 1982. But Akira is what solidified the Japanese cyberpunk stuff thanks to once the anime started getting shown.

    We might be talking past each other here, just pointing out that cyberpunk didn't start with Akira.
     
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  7. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    Oh yeah, we were definitely talking past each other. I was responding to @Benkei 's claim that Akira isn't cyberpunk at all.
     
  8. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    And Gibson's "Burning Chrome" was published early 1982, prior to Neuromancer.
     
  9. Space Ranger

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    All I can say is, "If i wanted reality, I'd watch/read the news."
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    But what if I wanted a fantasy that makes sense? Why do I have to choose between fantasy that doesn't make sense and reality that doesn't make sense?
     
  11. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    American anime fanboyism, as being a fan of American anime.
     
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  12. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    I said it has elements of Cyberpunk but it's not cyberpunk per se because it is lacking several core elements of the genre. Now suddenly my claim is that's "not cyberpunk at all"

    We could discuss this for ages but it's pointless as Infinity is definitely not cyberpunk (even when it has a few elements)


    P. D: GitS is much more cyberpunk than Akira is imo
     
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  13. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    For a pair of high quality 75mm scale resin models, one of which is an enormous werewolf, that's not an unreasonable price.
     
  14. SockLobster

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    infinity is absolutely a cyberpunk setting

    (with 'sickass bike' elements)
     
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  15. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    even is cheaper.

    Ayax + human 75mm figure will be 95€. But Duroc is bigger than Ayax (tall and wide) and Margot include an alternative arm.
     
  16. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    OH WELL, IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE ARM...

    Seriously, why bother defending it? It's another partner item. They're basically CB's payday at this point.
     
  17. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    "Making sense" is an evershifting goalpost, for one. It's fiction, it makes sense, in the fiction.

    Also, the so-called actual reality doesn't make any sense at all, have you seen the 2020 timeline?
     
  18. toadchild

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    I was basing my price observations on other large format resin models. €50 for a 75mm figure isn’t uncommon.
     
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  19. Kreslack

    Kreslack Unknown Ranger lead the way!

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    When I looked up the definition of 'cyberpunk' a key elements of the setting is a dystopian future and a focus on the downtrodden and bottom rung of society dealing with said high tech tech dystopian future.

    Infinity isnt really dystopian. And the focus is on the shadowy operations of the people in charge, not on those who they may or may not oppress.
    it has lots of places you could tell a very traditional cyberpunk story. (Ateks, Human Edge, most of Yu Jing, Big brother Aleph, PanO HyperCorps) but life for the average citizen seems pretty nice. Even cushy, for the majority.

    Though regardless of the 'technical definition' Infinity still uses enough of the tropes, elements, and themes of Cyberpunk. That it pretty much is still falls into the genre. I wonder now if there is a named sub-subgenre for it already. If not maybe we'll have to coin one.
     
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  20. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Partner? They are corvus workers...
     
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